To think you shouldn't insult someone just because they voted differently to you?

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It feels like a lot of you would feel more at home in a dictatorship.

I've seen people being called stupid, selfish etc just because they decided to vote differently

I don't care who anyone voted for. I do care that we are a nation that allows everyone to vote for who they want without the threat of violence.

Tory (or non Labour/SNP) voters haven't voted that way because they hope all poor and disabled people die

Someone could argue just as strongly that a person who votes for the party they think will best support their family's needs through increased DLA benefits or something similar, is being just as selfish as someone who voted for the party they think will best support their family's needs through improving the general economy.

Still voting for you, and still voting for your needs.

Which is really what most people do at the end of the day.

Fucking hell. People dying is rhetoric. I'm sorry, can you not handle the truth of the party you voted for?

It's not fucking sour grapes. Wonder id you'd be saying that if tories lost? I'm not upset because oh no the nasty tories won and now people are going to be smug. Im fucking upset because my dad now faces a further five years of uncertainty and benefit cuts and stigma and no support for his illness, and one letter from the DWP could push him over the edge and he'll kill himself. That's not rhetoric, that's not sour grapes, that's our fucking reality and that's what you've voted for so that you get to keep a little extra money.

OP didn't once mention sour grapes or even anything similar

And no thanks Woodlice I don't want to be compelled to tell people what I voted and give them carte blanche to insult me - whatever that vote is.

I even feel the same about a UKIP voter - I would like them to explain to me why they voted UKIP so I can try to explain how I see things instead. But if they tell me and I call them fucking scum (or whatever) then to be honest I wouldn't expect them to engage win any kind of political debate.

And to you politics might be about debate but to others(like me) it is an intensely private thing - I'm an observer, a reader, a listener and then I decide. I'm really not interested in anyone even on an anonymous forum throws insults at me for my choice.

I learnt a long time ago to keep my own counsel - even from the exit pollsters. I have voted for just about every party over the past 32 years and the level of vitriol this year from labour supporters has been more than I can ever remember. I don't want any part in it. I actually feel a little ashamed of it and how counter productive it is.

Well said Kew.

I was referring to your post first post on page 2, Kew!

Sour grapes was mentioned by others on this thread and others.

Thurlow , ah, but have you read the numerous labour sock puppets talking about their selfless choice to vote for their own increased taxes, because they believe that Labour is the new Jesus?

OfaFrenchMind yy.

Posters aren't being criticised for their politics, nobody even asks about them - it's just a Neanderthal-like demand "How are you voting?". If the answer (one of four or five parties) doesn't suit - Thud! The club comes down. How is that in any way leaving a viewpoint to be defended.

The numbskull approach isn't specific to Government, just saying.

I think people are entitled to feel sore for a couple of days.

I think that is natural but this name calling of anyone who doesn't vote labour has been going on for weeks. Endless posts on MN and facebook.

Now that I've caught up reading the thread, your next posts are also well said kew!

The level of aggression and rudeness from some Leftists has been astounding.

I agree. They prefer scare tactics and intimidation.

Too lazy to start again so cut and paste from my own thread:

I have read all of the political threads with great interest and growing sadness at the name calling and general finger pointing at SNP/Tory voters, whatever.

The party I voted for will not be elected, so lets get that straight, and I would favour a PR system of voting for general elections, but the Conservatives have been democratically elected.

End of story.

If you truly believe in democracy, then you have to accept it, then fight! Get more involved in local politics, campaign for your chosen party, seek to influence opinion.

But don't just don't whinge about posh Tory voters, the Scots, Ed Milliband or tell people to hang their heads in shame when you do not get the result you want.

In the lead up to the election, there were threads supporting the right to vote for whomever you preferred, freedom of choice was promoted above personal disdain. How that has changed.

This is democracy - you know, the thing we are determined to enforce on countries around the world?

Left-wing 'freedom' = freedom to be left-wing.

Left-wing 'diversity' = difference of all sorts is wonderful, as long as it's all left-wing.

Left-wing 'tolerance' = tolerance of those who are left-wing.

They can all go fuck off and crawl back into their hole for five years.

tooold - well said. Name calling doesn't help labour activists understand why labour lost. Deciding people who voted Tory are all selfish wankers, doesn't help Labour move on because it patently obviously isn't true and just allows you to believe that labour are above reproach and that its just that the stupid electorate doesn't deserve you.

That way lies endless Tory governments going forward.

YANBU OP

I'm pretty disgusted at some of the things people are calling each other on MN today.

I didn't vote Tory and I'm disappointed with the result, but some of the venom being spat at people for exercising their democratic right, is actually quite shocking.

YANBU in the slightest!

And just to prove that mindless name calling can be a bi-partisan activity along comes *ThePowerAndTheGlory"!

Kew spot on - my sentiments exactly.

This thread and my social media feeds demonstrate why there are so many Shy Tories. If you're going to get call a load of grief, why would you reveal you voting intentions.

My social media feeds tell me that the NHS is closing today and all public servants are losing their jobs today. Also people are going to stop dropping dead. Such silly hyperbole.

YANBU. Unless they voted UKIP. Then they're fair game really.

I find people who are incapable of reasoned argument from any political point of view tiresome.

You can forgive students pehaps but past 20 acting like that is pretty pathetic and immature.

However the people who really really astound me are those who don't vote at all. Just really strange.

I didn't vote Labour or Tory, and I'm not going to do name-calling, but I really don't understand how anyone can think that a Conservative government won't lead to a significant decrease in quality of life for people who are too sick or disabled to work, who have chronic illnesses, who are in low-paid or insecure work, who are in insecure housing, who are young ams not supported by their family, or who are carers.

Absolutely agree with Kewcumber and Tooold - many people who voted Conservative are floating voters, who in 2020 will still be floating voters looking to be appealed to by all parties. By calling them scum/thick/selfish etc this time, Labour/left wing people aren't exactly appealing to them for next!

What has the turnout been like this year?

I agree on not voting. I'm always surprised too - there's always a small percentage of people who I can see not getting around to arranging a postal vote, or their Thursday going horribly wrong so they don't get a chance to vote.

PP are right about Labour/left-wing parties needing to engage rather than just criticise people for not voting for their party.

Plus it all adds up to an overall opinion of a party and its supporters, and supporters of any party who just go for vitriol and accusations against anyone who supports a different party or set of policies gives their party a bad reputation. Which won't help win over new supporters.

Alright, calling someone names for voting for their choice is a bad thing. Got it.

I reserve the right to call anyone who continues to bleat 'sour grapes har har' a cunt though. Because it's a cuntish thing to say.