To worry I'm going to get seriously depressed as the night goes on

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I have a sicky feeling in the pit of my stomach that we are going to be lumbered with 5 more years of Tory rule. Please let it not be so.

Op, I'm sorry to hear that your job is also on the chopping block. The families I support only just cope now, God knows what the future holds for them.

So the Tories are now planning to to close all libraries, leisure centres, let schools fall to rack and ruin, decimate social housing and meals on wheels... It's a good job that the majority of the country don't agree with you. I've never heard such scaremongering tosh.

It's beyond me why conservative voters aren't allowed to have a view or defend themselves without having vitriol and ridiculous statements hurled at them - we're just all thick, misinformed and selfish. That's a sweeping generalisation about millions of people who have spoken with their democratic voice - of which I am one.

See what I mean BettyCatKitten. Classic example of left wing bullies. Nasty unnecessary comments. No wonder so many people turned their backs at the polls.

I haven't done very well out of the conservatives as an individual. I don't get child benefit and my wages were frozen as I work for the NHS. But I voted for what I think is the greater good.

For what it is worth Betty I have worked for the NHS under both a Labour government and a Tory. Labour made a terrible hash of it whilst spending loads of money at the same time - go figure. Half the staff I worked with under labour were expensive locums.

I know bettycatkitten families won't be able to cope once the next round of cuts begin.

But coffecakeandgin the Tories have slashed local government funding so much that many libraries and leisure centres have closed. Also in 2014 a third of councils cut meals on wheels Schools have closed music and sports facilities and Tory's plan on selling off more social housing. How is this scaremongering? It is fact.

It's beyond me why conservative voters aren't allowed to have a view or defend themselves without having vitriol and ridiculous statements hurled at them - we're just all thick, misinformed and selfish. That's a sweeping generalisation about millions of people who have spoken with their democratic voice

It was exactly the same on here after the Scottish Referendum- just replace the word 'conservative' above with 'No'.

Shewept I was only making point that I think that about some Tory supporters because I have met them, not because it's some wild assumption plucked out of the air.

My own mother was reading the Daily Mail to me and telling me we have never been better off. Well trying to as I told her not to read that paper to me in my house.

coffeecake, what do you imagine the effect of the cancellation of the Building Schools for the Future programme was? Guess what, it led to good schools going to rack and ruin: teachers were, very literally, having to teach with rain dripping in.

And don't point to the Academy and Free Schools programme as a counter to that. All that meant was that much more money than was saved by cancelling the BSftF programme was thrown at a load of Gove's friends, with literally millions being wasted on the numerous failures. Millions that could have been spent on essential building and development work on existing good state maintained schools.

Ive never voted Tory and never would.

But Labour/New Labour have been alienating their core working class vote for years The "we are all middle class now" attitudes from them didnt help either. If you want to win dont attack your voters identity and try to make them feel ashamed of who they are.

And dont take a Tory idea like workfare and run with it like you have done in the past. Calling it New Deal doesnt make it not workfare.

I saw Labour candidates on twitter get asked about the workfare issue but they just ignored the questions and didnt engage. Trade unions have tried to avoid this issue too. But it affects jobs because why would you employ someone and pay them when you can get someone for free.

Ignoring issues that are important to your electorate does not an election win!

You have to have cuts if you have a recession an a massive deficit. It's not rocket science. Why don't labour voter get that.
What annoys me about councils is they would rather cut services than jobs. I know quite a few people that work I the public sector that tell my they his all ther targets by lunchtime as they are set ridiculously low and then mess around on the internet for the rest of the day as the have nothing to do and no incentives to go past their targets. The civil service is awash with mediocrity but "much better to keep everyone in their jobs and close a few libraries."

much better to keep everyone in their jobs and close a few libraries."

Well obviously - otherwise the unemployment figures would go up.

I also know loads of people who work(ed) for the local authority and can say they certainly didn't spend their day messing about on the Internet. They did incredible jobs for the good of society. Valuable skilled and experienced people whose jobs now gone. I am not sure where you are living coffee but the jobs went with the services where I live.

Didn't suggest cuts didn't need to be made but it's the depth of the cuts which are so unnecessary. Using the cutting of the deficit as an excuse to force through an ideology of less government intervention.
Also there is the matter of tax. A simple view of taxing the rich to help the poor. More tax = less dramatic cuts

I just can't imagine what Labour would have done to cut the national debt if they'd got in. They kept saying they would cut the deficit if they'd got in but didn't elaborate as to how. Their manifesto talked a lot of how they would spend money but there was scant detail as to how they would reduce the national debt - raising taxation was mooted, capping child benefit, and getting rid of police commissioners (the latter one would have saved tiddly squat)
Oh, and selling off 'government assets'. Labour are good at that - Gordon Brown sold off the Government's gold when the price was rock bottom, very clever, not.

Bottom line to me - Labour are good at spending, very good, but not good at balancing the books and making cuts. People were scared that Labour would carry on like it did under Blair, and that's why they lost.

fanjo but I didn't say all tory voters are intelligent and well informed. But its ridiculous to say all are or even most.

I also agree with the pp that said all this labour vitrol at tories and their voters doesn't help one bit.

Welfare cuts of £12bn a year are going to hurt an awful lot of people and will most likely be inflicted on some of those who voted Tory.

As Neil Kinnock said in June 1983

'If Margaret Thatcher for MT read Cameron/Osborne is re-elected as prime minister on Thursday, I warn you.

I warn you that you will have pain–when healing and relief depend upon payment.

I warn you that you will have ignorance–when talents are untended and wits are wasted, when learning is a privilege and not a right.

I warn you that you will have poverty–when pensions slip and benefits are whittled away by a government that won’t pay in an economy that can’t pay.

I warn you that you will be cold–when fuel charges are used as a tax system that the rich don’t notice and the poor can’t afford.

I warn you that you must not expect work–when many cannot spend, more will not be able to earn. When they don’t earn, they don’t spend. When they don’t spend, work dies.

I warn you not to go into the streets alone after dark or into the streets in large crowds of protest in the light.

I warn you that you will be quiet–when the curfew of fear and the gibbet of unemployment make you obedient.

I warn you that you will have defence of a sort–with a risk and at a price that passes all understanding.

I warn you that you will be home-bound–when fares and transport bills kill leisure and lock you up.

I warn you that you will borrow less–when credit, loans, mortgages and easy payments are refused to people on your melting income.

If Margaret Thatcher Tories wins on Thursday–

– I warn you not to be ordinary

– I warn you not to be young

– I warn you not to fall ill

– I warn you not to get old.

Coffee is correct. Labour are always good at spending other people's money. Then it runs out and you look around, you have chased off the wealthy who bring jobs and use services in the UK.

You then look around to see who you can tax more. People who are on low wages see people who havent/dont choose to work, you see in some areas huge rises in immgration. They wonder indeed why they are working.

You see people pretending to live seperately to gain more in benefits. The culture in an area changes, yet still labour bleat on about working people, they dont celebrate success, they only choose to surpress it.

Icimoi BSF was mostly PFI money, and has had more than its fair share of failures too. One might mention Christ the King school in Knowsley, for example, which cost £24m and closed within 4 years, at that point in special measures with two thirds of the places empty. Planning and building schools is hard, because the lifespan of a building is much longer than a cycle of population movement, but BSF saddled authorities with long-term PFI payments on projects which were short-term at best. None of the big free school failures (Discovery and Durham leap to mind) involved either capital spending on remotely that scale, or long-term PFI liabilities.

BSF was a monumentally expensive way to deliver school buildings. There is much to criticise about the free school and the academy schemes as well, but holding BSF up as some sort of exemplar of effective planning for school capacity is pushing it more than a bit.

as we must all be poor and disabled hating bastards

But many of us are poor and are disabled or have disabled people in the immediate family.

I think Labours No 1 problem is that people do not see them as altruistic or caring anymore.

Neil Kinnock is such an twit. Labour inheirted a good economy after the Thatcher and Major years and messed it up (again!). Thatcher gave people opportunities to own their own house. She would have chased this ISIS state teaching out of the country and stormed the schools and mosques that were preaching hate.

Whether you loved her or hated her you will never forget her.

Besides Neil Kinnock is another champagne socialist spouting nonsense. Thinking he can win elections and then fails.

Do people recognise Chucka Umunna?

Yes eloquent but he would be even more of a disaster than Ed. He does not say the right things.

Is there anywhere I can find out what percentage of people in the country voted for what it party?

Can't seem to find those results.

As Neil Kinnock said in June 1983

So do you think we would have been better off had Labour been elected that month? Their manifesto included immediate withdrawal from Europe, for example. Do you support that policy, and believe that Britain in the 1980s would have been better off outside the EU? If so, why aren't you voting UKIP now?

Hillingdon, If the country was in such a good state after the Tories why did Labour win such a landslide in 1997? Everybody wanted the Tories out in 1997, I can remember my MD (large employer) being really triumphant when the Tories were ousted. There was so much optimism around.

Bodicea I was stating a fact
Have a word with yourself