To worry I'm going to get seriously depressed as the night goes on

[Seeingthebeautyineveryminute]

I have a sicky feeling in the pit of my stomach that we are going to be lumbered with 5 more years of Tory rule. Please let it not be so.

I didnt vote for UKIP. But they have really shaken things up. I like that. Labour got into the preaching we are for working people. No, you werent. You wanted people earning over say 50k supporting people who choose not to work full time, to take easy jobs that allow tax credits (paid for by the state etc) to support mass immigration, to have no clear policy on anything very much.

But of course he can always be reminded of what he is meant to be doing by looking at the Ed Stone.

Who on earth thought that a good idea. Really naff.

I think Chucka is excellent

Hillingdon - what parts of State Control do you think are worst? Did you regard the bank bail-out as appalling state intervention? I'm genuinely curious as to your view.

I'd guess the very daft Ed Stone was a David Axelrod idea?

farfallarocks, can we start an internet campaign??!!

Very, very accurate piece from a Labour insider:

labourlist.org/2015/05/the-long-road-back/

"I didn’t see it coming – this is my mea culpa. I thought Miliband offered a chance to build a different kind of Britain. But the British people disagreed. They didn’t buy what we were selling, how we sold it or who was selling it. In fact, all too many didn’t know what we were selling at all [....]

"What certainly can’t be allowed to happen is “one more heave”. A Labour Party focussed too greatly on the NHS and the iniquities visited upon the vunerable by the current government, delivered through “only Labour” squeeze messages and one way conversations with those who are already likely to vote for us has been tried, tested and found utterly wanting. That is not to say those issues have no validity. Quite the opposite. The historic mission of the Labour Party demands nothing less than defending those in need and standing up for the institutions that make our nation great. But to focus on those messages alone – is to drive around the political cul-de-sac. [...]

"Because we’re meant to be the party of working people – the clue is in the name. But all too many of those people who we seek to represent (and who we feel we do represent) took a look at Labour and saw too little of themselves represented in it. That’s not a recent phenomenon – it spans years not weeks."

Just confirmed conservative majority

Hillingdon - do you really think the Tories are going to cut things like tax credits and housing benefit? Tax credits subsidise big business so they don't have to pay more and housing benefits subsidise BTL landlords who the Tories seem to love (and many of them are landlords). I really wonder what benefits they will actually cut now that they don't have the excuse of the Lib Dems holding them back?

Bbc Leeds are saying conservatives are confirmed and then saying numbers are still coming in so not confirmed.

All this about the poor and the vulnerable... We are obviously doing pretty well as a nation then to have so few poor and vulnerable that the Tories have such a dominant position.

Otherwise surely all these poor and vulnerable people would have voted DC out surely? Or are they the 30% who didn't bother to vote?

I'lI get flamed for this, but the genuinely poor and vulnerable (of which I don't deny there are many) should be pointing fingers at the voluntarily poor and vulnerable, of whom there are many more.

Im not depressed, I'm ecstatic. Rest assured Greece has seen a rapid increase in poor and vulnerable as a consequence of the abysmal economic management that milliband would have brought back.

Well done Dave, the screamy left will make their annoyance heard louder than the majority. Polls prove that the reality is different to the 'noise'

"I'lI get flamed for this, but the genuinely poor and vulnerable (of which I don't deny there are many) should be pointing fingers at the voluntarily poor and vulnerable, of whom there are many more."

Evidence for this, please?

Hakluyt, adjusted unemployment data alone will show you that. That employers cannot fill vacancies barely 5 years after a major banking collapse.

Not getting involved with you anyway after your claims in another thread, earlier this week about sexual assaults. Pretty sure you are a full time troll on here.

Going by the size of population in each country, I have done a quick calculation which shows that there are 5 more seats in Scotland and 8 more seats in Wales than there should be and 13 less seats in England than there should be. am sure this is very simplistic, before you have a go at me, but does anyone know why this is the case. sorry , my figures below that I have copy and pasted have not ended up correctly beneath the headings so may look confusing.

if there were 13 more seats in England, 5 less in Scotland, 8 less in Wales, I wonder what affect that would have. obviously nothing on the Tory majority

Country Population Est seats Actual Seats Under/(Over)
England 53.5 546 533 13
Scotland 5.3 54 59 -5
Wales 3.1 32 40 -8
N Ireland 1.8 18 18 0
UK 63.7 650 650 0

England 53.50 546 533 13
Scotland 5.3 54 59 -5
Wales 3.1 32 40 - 8
N Ireland 1.8 18 18 0
UK 63.7 650 650 0

Suggest. My guess is a combination of:

1. they do try and retain some balance to population, but geography limits this. 1 Scottish constituency is 4000 square miles already, Balancing things further would make that nearer 6000 which just isn't practical for one MP to give genuine local representation to.

2. I expect the population increase in england is much higher than in Scotland and Wales, pretty sure more 20-30s Scottish and Welsh people move to England for work etc than vice versa. They do periodically balance things out, but in recent years with the push for independence, even suggesting a reduction in Westminster Sears would have been a political hand grenade for whoever suggested it.

Just guessing, but I'd expect the same data for the 92 election for example to have a lower imbalance of seats.

Westminster seats, obv, not sears

Can't believe some of the lame reasons people give for voting Tory.

"Oh I'd vote labour if they had a different leader but Ed is a bit geeky". Principles anyone?

And utter racists like UKIP as great as they shook things up?

Depressing.

Penisland are you for real re the NHS?

I fear so. Ugh.

Exactly Fango where are people's principles. It's a vote for the party not the person.

Can't believe some of the lame reasons people give for voting Tory.

As opposed to the Labour voters with such snippets of wisdom influencing them as:

My dad voted Labour;
Blah blah miners' strike;
Blah blah Thatcher;

????

Have many more reasons than that Shelly.

And not ones in my wallet either.

thanks MNpostingbot

And a couple of those are quite good reasons as well, tbh

They haven't even formed the sodding Government yet and they are already bickering about Europe on the BBC.

Plenty if people have given very valid reasons for voting Tory but these are generally ignored on mumsnet as we must all be poor and disabled hating bastards. Not people who just have a different view on how best to run the nation, for everyone.