to think 'omg there's something WRONG with her FACE' when I see so many American actresses

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Especially older ones. Their mouths don't move properly! It always looks like they're trying to hold in a mouthful of marbles. I think it's all the Botox and it gives me the creeps.

I find it really unfair that male actors are allowed to have foreheads and lips that actually MOVE while the moment women hit 28 or so they're supposed to become increasingly mannequin-like. Often too you see these frozen old-lady-dolls playing great characters and their weird, weird faces just makes me dislike them no matter what. AIBU to be creeped out by it? Should I just accept that this is the way the world is now?

just been watching you-tube abd it's alarming the number of men in rock bands who are having treatment. Don felder formerly of the Eagles looks younger now thamn when he was playing 'Hotel California' in 1977 and there are others you can see. With all the exposure on tv/internet etc they must just think they have to keep looking young - prob while their crowd is getting older

Many of these women are keeping themselves artificially super slim which means their faces age more quickly. You only have to look at the Duchess of Cambridge to see this - she is a very pretty, youngish woman with a pretty easy life and access to the best beauty treatments in the world, but she looks her age and then some. As a result they turn to treatments to plump their cheeks etc up and end up with pillow face.

Not just women tho, H and I were watching a Nick cage movie recently and both of us thought he'd put loads of weight on cos his face looked oddly puffy and full. When we saw his full length it was clear he remains pretty lean. Fillers again.

Many of these women are keeping themselves artificially super slim

Im wondering what counts as artificially slim in your view?
Is it that a persons BMI is below the level which you think is normal, or are they using artificial methods to keep slim, say diet pills?

Isn't it just that so many people are obese these days that anyone who is lean looks unusual?

I think I mean that their body weight is substantially lower than it would be naturally at their age - most women put on a few lbs in their forties and fifties. I'm not talking about getting fat or even moving from v bottom to the top end of healthy BMI. think about women in the past - young women were slimmer on the whole than they are now but middle aged spread was a thing. Women these days want to stay sexy and desirable well into he heir 60s and beyond, that's great. Actresses want to keep working - ditto. But to do this, there is an expectation that they keep the very slim figure they had at 25.

I agree it is common to gain body fat with increasing age but some people are just naturally slim, or naturally the sort of people who are very into exercise and healthy eating.

Seems bit unfair to call them 'artificial' when they are just following their own natural preferences

That phrase 'naturally slim' baffles me.
It sounds like it means that they haven't had bariatric surgery (yet).

Do most people use it to mean "Not fat and don't make any active effort to not be fat, either" or do they mean "Couldn't get fat even if they tried very hard to get fat"?

Do you all reckon that a lot, maybe most people, who aren't fat, are having to make a huge effort to stay that way? So the people who aren't fat but aren't 'naturally slim' are actually normal people; whereas people who are "naturally slim" are bizarre freaks because it isn't a huge effort, perhaps?

it's as if making an effort to be slim is cheating, the punishment for this cheating is that 'their faces age more quickly'
then the sneaky artificial bastards have work done so that they have the faces and the bodies of people much younger

You're allowed to have a younger looking face if you are fat, but if you ae slim you must be punished with an old face!

One is only allowed to be slim if one can do so whilst eating the same amount of food as an obese person
because any other way of eating is artificial

'Artificially slim' sounds to me like sour grapes from those who cant regulate their food intake

I notice that black actresses/models don't
need as much botox / plastic surgery as their white counterparts.

Black skin generally ages much more slowly than white

Suzanne- I think that artificially slim means that the person severely restricts their food intake in order to remain slim.

It's hardly an outrageous statement to say that most actresses keep a steely eye on their figure. I'm sure many of them are naturally slim, but naturally slim doesn't cut it anymore on screen.

There is a misconception though that all people who have things tweaked are pressured and unhappy I don't know one! I liked it but was no happier but sis enjoy waking up fresh faced and less crumpled. I didn't look younger either. SOme actresses go too far as do some people

Suzanne - I have no problem regulating my intake. However as a woman in my 40s I am aware that I have to work a little harder each year to maintain my figure and stay fit. I also know that my face is visibly starting to age. So I can see clearly enough that what Courtney Cox (that epitome of a person who can't regulate her food intake )once said, that over 40 a woman has to choose between her face and her ass. Big ass = more youthful face; small ass = less youthful face.

I think Courtney was talking out of her (tiny) arse to be honest. A fuller face may be less lined than a thin one but I don't think it necessarily looks any more youthful. I think sagginess is much more ageing than wrinkles and I am speaking from experience.

If I lose weight my face gets a bit skinny but thats always been the sort of face I have but I don't look older just a bit thin!

I'm still slim but my face has filled out since the menopause and it definitely doesn't make me look younger. In fact it's probably the single thing that's aged me the most.

My face has gone south (drooping), I've gone jowley (my mother had this, too, so it's kind of a reminder of history & heritage).

I lost a lot of weight a while back and got down to an unnatural size for my build and height. I loved being so tiny but it wasn't natural and too much. Looking at photos of me then, I look 10 years older than I do now that's my excuse for being bigger, and I'm sticking to it!

Seriously though, I looked so drawn and almost ill so I am inclined to agree you can't have it all ways.

Many of my friends in my gym are in their 50s , 60s and 70s
A fair few fake boobs
A bit of botox
A couple of face lifts
BUT
what keeps you looking young is being fit and lean and having good circulation.

Friends who happily stay at very low BMIs look fab because they are supremely fit
Lots of slebs want the look without the work

I've had tear trough fillers because of my genetic underage hollowness and I'm only 30. I haaaaate the dark gouges under my eyes, particularly because nothing disguises it, and I just hated having to put on concealer every day. Don't really mind my fine lines or anything, it's just the fecking hollows. They appeared out of nowhere when I was 25, and deepened every year since then.

I feel conflicted about it, but tbh the amount of angst those hollows caused me - and then they were just GONE. It's been a year and they're not even as bad as they were before, because my skin responded well, so I don't mind the cash once a year or so.

I think a fuller face is far more aging that a slim face. I exercise and keep an eye on my food intake for the sake of my face as much as my body, especially now I'm post 40.

Hamster cheeks. I just can't understand why anyone would pay money to get them.

I think it depends on the face. I looked awful with a slim almost chiselled face on top of a slim body. I looked drawn, my wrinkles showed so much, my cheeks were hollow, I prefer a bit plumped up. If I lose too much weight, the first place it shows is my face and it's not good.

I just turned 40 and I'm finally, finally glad I inherited my mother's hamster cheeks. I still get my id checked regularly when buying wine, always followed with a "I would never have guessed, whatever you're doing keep it up!" type of comment. I'm very active and slim (5'4", 110 lbs) but my good old chubby cheeks are finally paying off after a lifetime of being treated less respectfully as a person much younger (and less experienced professionally). Loving the new microsoft tell-my age app. I uploaded 2 photos of me at age 40 and got the result of age 26! I know it's BS but I'm still taking it :)

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