Scottish identity

[chocoluvva]

Do you feel you have one?

If you're not Scottish living in Scotland, do you think there is a Scottish identity?

Agent

" is a fanny"

Think that sums it up quite well

no-one "won" starwars

anyone who tells you you're not a 'true Scot' ...is a fanny

Couldn't agree more.

Oh I see.

(also at not being off the turnip truck - although it does kind of make my point about Scottish people who don't live in urban areas being overlooked when politicians (and posters for that matter) claim that 'Scotland voted ....'

I'm almost off a turnip truck. (strictly speaking it would be a 'swede' truck - or 'neep' if you'd rather!)

Awaits accusations of being over-sensitive or having no sense of humour.

I won't 'desist' and you don't get to set the agenda. I apologised and if you want to gloat, feel free. Pretty much sums up the sour-pussness of it all

And on that turnip note I'm off to do the youngest's bath and bed.

choco - you have absolutely no sense of humour and you are far too sensitive for your own good

Well, if there is a lab/snp coalition the snp can't really claim that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for. Except in the sense that nobody will have got the government they voted for.

It's quite a well know idiom

But I'll answer stars. A word to the wise stars - you should definitely desist from posting silly comments that you can't then back up. And I don't 'gloat'.

Well, if there is a lab/snp coalition the snp can't really claim that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for.

I'm pretty sure there will be no formal coalition. Milliband has just ruled out any supply and confidence arrangement too.

Call me cynical, but I still think we will get a Tory/Lab coalition. Neither aide has ruled this out, they have pretty compatible views on most issues, and they are both terrified of any of the smaller parties wielding any power.

I'd never heard it!

I've heard 'D'you think I came up the clyde on a banana boat?' - which I assume means inexperienced in the ways of modern life?

And 'Jeannie o' the neeps.' - I think that means someone who is dishevelled and dressed unstylishly.

No, that's nonsense as usual. I'm not going back to quote the very many complaints of being disillusioned with being Scottish/not feeling Scottish anymore and you are being completely disingenuous to deny it.

Yes the banana boat one does not tend to be used these days!

A con/lab coalition? It wouldn't be the first time, I think (glad to move on from the turnip truck digression, DH says he hadn't heard it either btw - --won't mention that it sounds like it has connotations with the word 'teuchter' - for those not in the know, a 'teuchter' is a Scottish word for a 'country bumpkin', usually from the highlands and/or islands).

FWIW - the debates on the indy ref I enjoyed most/found most useful usually didn't involve politicians.

If anyone has 7 minutes and would like to listen to something about identity, here's a Youtube clip for you. (Warning - it's Billy Connolly live in concert so there will be sweary words.)

Well if you and your DH haven't heard it, goodness, I must have been so wrong

Yup. There has been a lot of commentary regarding the possibility, but none of the politicians have mentioned the possibility which I think is telling.

TBH I can't see any other option. Lab/Con are going to be pretty equal in seats, and the only realistic way they will get a majority is,to work with the SNP. SNP won't work with the Tories, and Labour won't work with the SNP, so the only way to create some sort of stable government is for Lab/Tory to work together.

The rhetoric in the media shows that the SNP having any power in Westminster is unlikely to be acceptable to the main parties or the general population. So a Lab/Tory coalition is really the only answer to create a stable government that will be accepted by the people.

DH (sagacious, despite never having heard the turnip truck saying) predicts another con/libdem govt.

We both hope he's wrong.

What on earth would the long term electoral consequences of a con/lab govt be? A massive boost for the minority parties?

Agent that sounds really horrible behaviour in that office. I work in finance and there was no crowing. Maybe quiet relief. I didn't celebrate at the time for a number of reasons - I knew lots of my friends were upset, and tried to think how I would feel if it had gone the other way and they were celebrating; I was shattered (I'd been up all night and not been sleeping well for ages); it had been such an intense experience (especially the day itself) that I had no idea how to deal with it. A week later the group of people I'd canvassed with had a night out and that was great, lots of us still see each other, I made good friends during the referendum. I also really enjoyed getting involved, although it was so out of character for me to go canvassing, usually I find it really hard to talk to people I don't know.

I thought what happened in Glasgow on the 19th was awful, although I also had the feeling it could have been much worse. I also felt there had been lots of 'half Scotland will be disappointed/upset' with little thought on how people would deal with that.

I hadn't heard the turnip truck phrase, although my Dad uses the Clyde banana boat one.

I still have a child up, so will wait to watch Billy Connolly

Lab/Tory coalitions?
Would that not cause some kind of Supernova/Black Hole/Super-annihalation of the World As We Know it??

I can't call it but I do hope you are wrong.

I'm predicting a Labour minority govt. Unless England swings significantly (which it might, and the polls don't always translate accurately in seat terms) I don't think the Tories can get enough support even with the Ulster Unionists. UKIP don't seem to be having a great election, and I think they'll get some seats but not masses.

I'm not sure there will be an actual coalition, more vote by vote wrangling. A Tory/Lab coalition I can't see happening - that has happened but in time of war/Depression on a scale worse than current economic situation.

Lib Dem vote could be the unknown - whether those people have gone completely or not. I don't think they will recover enough in time.

I'm curious to see whether electoral reform (with better options than AV) comes back onto the agenda.

I think a Con/Lab government now would lead to massive party splitting and reforming. That might actually not be a bad thing - the Tories seem to have been struggling against splitting over Europe for tears, and Labour have a range from traditional Labour to New Labour. I think supporters of both would turn against the main parties for a coalition like that unless it was a major national emergency.

On the other hand I don't know if I want to find out what it would be like to live through the above.

I think the Tory media is playing up the SNP down south ItsAll. In reality they have endorsed a fair few Labour policies, so as long as everyone (on all sides/parties) gets on with governing the UK, things should calm down a bit (provided nobody sneakily breaks the UK up - that is meant to be sarky/light hearted). Hopefully if it is a minority Labour govt we will get good results out of the constitutional convention that's been talked about. We might (hopefully) get a settlement that works for English regions as well as Scotland, Wales, NI.

I don't want an SNP MP, or an SNP dominated Scotland, but if it happens it happens and the UK govt will still be the UK govt. Even such an ardent anti-SNP person as me is fed up with the Tory "doom! Catastrophe!" rhetoric.