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Scottish identity

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chocoluvva · 26/04/2015 18:31

Do you feel you have one?

If you're not Scottish living in Scotland, do you think there is a Scottish identity?

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chocoluvva · 27/04/2015 19:06

Scottish identity as a labour-voting country? But what about all the Scottish seats that aren't labour, eg the libdems? In 2010 the population of half the land mass of Scotland was represented by libdems (hollow laugh again)

If there is a labour/snp coalition (I know I know, EM says there won't be) I wonder what effect that will have on future support for the snp.

Also, is anyone who plans to vote snp - or thinks they would vote snp if they could, willing to say why they're voting that way?

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starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:08

It's very like your style to pick on o words and change them for your own agenda Sir C. Especially as you fucked off without answering my questions in the last thread.

So, for clarity, I mean huffiness, Go back and read your posts. Big petted lip.

You won. Rejoice! But no, the only way you would rejoice is if we went back in our box. But we are not, so suck it up

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chocoluvva · 27/04/2015 19:10

Which thread please starwars?

I'd like to read it.

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SirChenjin · 27/04/2015 19:22

Nope, you've still not explained the huffiness or anti Scottish (examples would also help..). A few silly comments (were they meant to be insults?) but nothing more.

And next time you feel put out that I've left a thread without answering your questions do make sure you PM to remind me that you're still waiting for my response.

OOAOML · 27/04/2015 19:28

There were plenty of No voters on here during the referendum campaign and noone was shutting them up. This thread is pretty anti Scottish now from many of the No voters. Cheer up, you won!

I think this was where I got the shutting up comment, but was a bit confused (sorry, should give up trying to post whilst the children are being noisy) and think I mixed up past and present threads.

To get back to present thread:

I'm not seeing anti-Scottishness.

I don't think there is a single Scottish identity.

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:29

Actually it wasn't you. Humble apologies

But I do stand by my point on huffiness, You (the Nos) won, but the SNP are not going to go away. Get over it

OOAOML · 27/04/2015 19:32

I don't want anyone to go back in a box. I do want 'once in a generation' to be honoured, and for there to be time to consider how the whole UK is governed. I'm fully prepared for masses of SNP MPs. I don't think it will be a good thing, but if that's how people vote that's what we'll get. And I'll have to deal with no longer having an MP willing to speak out and vote against his party, I'll have someone who is currently not very good on the council, bound by the SNP loyalty clause not to speak against the party.

SirChenjin · 27/04/2015 19:37

Again you haven't explained what you mean by huffiness or anti Scottish.
And I need to 'get over' something?

Examples would help justify your claims.

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:38

Well when or if the once in a generation is not honoured, then complain about it. At the moment, there is no referendum on the table.

tilliebob · 27/04/2015 19:38

Yay - the NO vote one. That day I deleted my FB. Things had been posted there about a) how I couldn't sing Flower of Scotland again (wtf) b) I wasn't a true Scot (nothing but Scottish) and c) I was a traitor. It was like a bereavement - no one was allowed to be happy. It was all about the YES campaigns and their shattered dreams and being sensitive to their feelings etc etc. Now I really feel that there's going to be a bloody referendum every few years until we are all so worn down we all just agree. It was "once in a lifetime" which actually meant "only if we get what we want". Which means I trust the SNP even less than I did before.

tilliebob · 27/04/2015 19:38

No vote *won (doesn't bloody feel like it though).

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:40

Read the thread Sir C. There is lots of not feeling Scottish as a result of the referendum etc. Poor you guys - you won. Rejoice, The Yes side is far more optimistic with GE15

SirChenjin · 27/04/2015 19:46

Nope, you're still not explaining yourself stars. I've been on this thread since yesterday and I'm still not seeing any huffiness or anything that is anti Scottish from the No (or Yes) voters on here - so what exactly do you mean?

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chocoluvva · 27/04/2015 19:47

Spill the beans SirChenjin - what's the thread?

DH predicted that the referendum would be divisive. Presumably David Cameron assumed that the yes vote would be a tiny minority.....

Here's a confession - I discussed the upcoming indy ref with two different English yes-voters who had both been resident in Scotland for many years. One was leafleting. Bless her, she came in to the house at my request and we had a polite, though frank discussion. I believe she was campaigning for what she thought were ethical reasons and have the utmost respect for her commitment to her cause and her reasons for supporting it.

The other lady is an acquaintance who was leaning towards voting yes and asked my opinion as someone not from the central belt. She went on to vote yes...

Anyway, the point I'm coming to is that had there been a (small) majority yes vote I'm ashamed to say that I believe I would have felt more ill will towards both these very nice women for removing Scotland from the UK than towards 'indigenous' yes voters.

But it must work both ways - if you're a Scottish yes voter denied your right to independence because of the votes of English residents I assume you might also feel resentment at English people yet again having more influence on the way you're governed than you think is fair.

Maybe I wouldn't have borne them any ill will. They're entitled to their vote as much as I am - except that the only justification I can see for independence, as I've said, would be to address the issue of the Scottish population having different values, beliefs, culture etc - which not even the most proud native Scottish people can identify even when strongly identifying as Scottish.

I really believe the snp does encourage divisiveness (they'd never admit it) - anti - Westminster, anti-conservative. Their determination to go through with breaking up the country even if only half the voting electorate wanted it smacks of being un-principled to me.

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SirChenjin · 27/04/2015 19:49

It would appear that stars had me confused with someone else choco - she posted "Actually it wasn't you. Humble apologies". I would have thought he/she would have checked her facts first but apparently not.

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:51

Give it a break SirC. The tone of the thread is very much that. If you don't want to admit it, fine, but I'm buggered if I'm going to spend half an hour copying and pasting them to prove a point both of us know is true.

But have a look at Lord Ashcroft's (a Tory) views on Yes voters. Interesting reading...

lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/ashcroft-national-poll-con-36-lab-30-lib-dem-9-ukip-11-green-7/

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:53

Choc

"DH predicted that the referendum would be divisive. Presumably David Cameron assumed that the yes vote would be a tiny minority..... "

So who is your DH then?

Christinayangstwistedsister · 27/04/2015 19:54

It's a shame that the politics behind the referendum have only succeed in dividing Scotland. I was a no voter , but have never rejoiced in the outcome as I think it has been totally overshadowed by the ridiculous bitterness demonstrated by both sides.

I am proud to be Scottish because of incidents like The Clutha disaster, people ran towards to help, cafés opened to feed emergency staff and taxi drivers drove families to where they needed to be free of charge. After living inDubai and Singapore for several years it was heartwarming to see the Scottish spirit at its best, as believe me the above actions are not a given in some parts of the world

It's a pity that the biggest impact on Scottish politics did not actually reflect the Scottish spirit

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 19:54

A most gracious response Sir C

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chocoluvva · 27/04/2015 19:54

Apologies starwars and SirChenjin. Missed that post.

Given the similarities between the snp and the green party and the fact of the no-vote majority wouldn't there be a case for snp members to encourage their members to vote for the green Westminster candidates?

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chocoluvva · 27/04/2015 19:56

DH is shorthand for 'darling husband' - he voted no. Not a conservative voter btw.

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SirChenjin · 27/04/2015 19:57

No I won't "give it a break" and don't tell me what I 'know'. I'm sure it would make life easier for you, but you've posted some pretty accusatory and inflammatory statements about huffiness and the thread being anti Scottish from many of the No voters on here - have the decency to back up your claims with explanations and examples showing how you reached that conclusion or desist.

SirChenjin · 27/04/2015 19:58

Agreed stars. My response was indeed gracious given the circumstances.

AgentCooper · 27/04/2015 20:00

The thing is, anyone who tells you you're not a 'true Scot,' whatever the fuck that means, whether they voted Yes or No, is a fanny. Straight up. IME, the majority of people on both sides (and there was an almost perfect split among my friends and family) didn't deal in slander and shite. MIL's FB irritates me no end, because it's all 'how could you vote no?' 'We are the 45 true Scots' blah de blah. And then, DH tells me, the Rangers message board was all 'ha ha, the taigs have still got British on their passports.' Which, as a Catholic from Irish stock who voted no after much soul searching, I found baffling. And his work (finance) was full of the usual pinkie ring wearers crawing the next day over keeping the unwashed masses in their place.

An empty vessel makes the most noise. And boy, they made a lot of noise during the referendum period.

starwarslegoboy · 27/04/2015 20:00

I know what DH stands for - not completely off the turnip truck

"DH predicted that the referendum would be divisive. Presumably David Cameron assumed that the yes vote would be a tiny minority". An implied connection between the sentences, as though your DH was in the know re DC's views?

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