i would fricken BAN smoking at tables outside eating establishments

[ElizabethHoover]

Its just GOPPING.
Its like a nicotine based apartheid ( slight overstatement) where the TINY percentage of smokers (a sixth of the population) in the country force the rest of us inside to get away from their stench and litter.

GRR

Boney

By your rationale so could the non smokers stay home if they didn't like it.

Ergo, your rationale is stupid

YANBU, smoking is absolutely vile!

How about whoever is there first taking priority? So if a smoker is sat at an outside table, you use your common sense and get a table inside instead of sitting down and then tutting at every wisp of smoke.

Then if a table is occupied by a non-smoker with kids or whatever, the smoker operates some restraint and waits until they leave before they light up.

It's called having a bit of consideration for the rest of the poor buggers who have to share the planet with you.

I grew up in a smokers household, never thought it was bad. Oh and I was a 'late starter', so not like I joined in by the time I was a teen. Most smokers are also kind enough to mind those around them when smoking in public, I highly doubt any of them have deliberately come up to you and blwn in your face. Maybe if snobby non-smokers didn't hold their noses so high in the air, they may not inhale as much second hand smoke. I'm currenty an ex-smoker by the way. Since getting my taste and smell back to 'fully functioning', I genuinely have smelt more disgusting things day to day than ciggi smoke. Alcohol breath smells like someone has been licking a dog's arse, for example.

LaurieFairyCake

Smokers used to say that about non smokers before the smoking ban was in place.

Its strange that the smokers argument hasn't changed in all this time.

As for something being stupid, I am not the one putting a cancer stick in my mouth.

I really don't care if people smoke, I just prefer the situation now to what is was.

I'm not a smoker and I agree that some outdoor areas have become pretty unpleasant because of the concentration of smokers, However, I woudln't want to see smoking become extinct - all that tax has to be collected somewhere.....

I'm a non smoker and don't consider myself 'anti smoking'. I am anti smoking for me as it would damage my poor lungs further but I don't give a crap about a random stranger's smoking habits unless it is directly affecting me.

I've noticed on these threads that we often get labelled anti smokers if we even dare to complain about a selfish smoker which pisses me off. Clearly smokers and non smokers alike can both be selfish. Not saying smoking in a pub garden is selfish at all but just wanted to share my views.

Ex smoker here and I don't really mind people smoking outside if it doesn't affect me. One thing that I've been coming across more and more lately though is smokers sharing a table outside with non smokers, holding their fags up high and puffing the smoke backwards so that it doesn't annoy their companions, but hits me straight in the face.

I would ban outside smoking just because of this.

usualsuspect333 I'm not sure where you've got the idea that all non-smokers are "happy for you to have the outside space in winter". Personally I would rather be wrapped up warm sitting outside by a heater in a ber garden on a crisp winter day than stuck indoors in a stuffy pub. But again, if people are smoking all over me, that experience is ruined.

As a smoker, you can't possibly know how nauseating your smoke is to those of us with fully functioning noses and taste buds. You'll just have to take our word for it. We know you don't care, because smokers are selfish... but there is no justification for your behaviour. Nobody actually HAS to smoke anywhere.

Lol at someone sitting outside a pub in winter because they prefer it.

Boney

Your argument makes no sense. And I'm not a smoker.

You are saying smokers shouldnt be allowed to smoke outside at pubs and they have a choice to go home and smoke.

I merely pointed out using your argument the non smokers could do the same.

Laurie

I didn't say that at all, I said that if they wanted to smoke inside they could do so at home. I also pointed out that it was the same thing that smokers said when there was no smoking ban.

Btw, OP, someone has pinched GOPPING for their thread title. They lack your subtlety, the blardy Pretenders.

Boney

No, you said smokers "monopolised the outdoor space" and I pointed out they couldn't smoke inside but non smokers could and then you said they had a choice to go home and smoke.

Just like non smokers have a choice to go home and not suffer the smoke (in your argument)

Personally, I think you're wrong and they should share the space without folk whinging about it and complaining the outdoor space is monopolised by smokers.

I'm a palliative care nurse and work in a hospice. We have a room which has a legal exemption from the smoking ban whereby patients can smoke indoors ( in said room). This is pointed out at interview. However, those precious fuckers and fake coughers who accepted the job knowing this and who do all the mad hand waving and pretend coughing just make me mad. You were told about this at interview, get the fuck over it.

laurie

Monopolising the outdoor space was alexandpea. I was responding to smokers not being able to smoke indoors.

You agreed with the 'monopolising outdoor space' by responding to me and saying they should go home and smoke

You spoke to me first about it, I didn't originally address my remarks to you at all

I would ban it just so I don't have to read another sodding thread about it.

[yawn]

PennieLane Give us some evidence or facts about second hand smoke causing cancer otherwise you continue to sound like a twat.

Punk, have you been living under a smoke filled rock for the past 20 years. There loads of evidence about passive smoking leading to lung cancer.

Here's one for starters....
www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/passive-smoking

And you're a nurse and don't know about this

Get over yourselves

I grew up in the 60's/70's. It was common for people to smoke where ever. There is absolutely no one I know who has died through passive smoking. I get that people don't like the smell. I get that if you worked in a "confined" space like a club that it could have some impact but other than that... get over yourselves.

It's a percentage game, that's all.

Sitting next to someone in a pub or cafe garden is a negligible risk. It might be irritating, it might be more than that if you have an existing health issue exacerbated by cigarette smoke, but it's not the end of the world so ask politely if the person could refrain from smoking or get the fuck over yourself.