i would fricken BAN smoking at tables outside eating establishments

[ElizabethHoover]

Its just GOPPING.
Its like a nicotine based apartheid ( slight overstatement) where the TINY percentage of smokers (a sixth of the population) in the country force the rest of us inside to get away from their stench and litter.

GRR

I don't like it either but don't get cross as I can still remember when I'd go for a night out and people would be smoking INSIDE. You'd come home all stinky and with a bad throat.

Smokers should be considerate though and smoke away from people eating. like the other side of the road

I have seen posts on Mumsnet by some po-faced folk also saying things like 'We don't yet know how serious the effects of Vaping will be' as if they're trying to say in a few years it will be seen as just as bad as smoking

A bit of fag smoke in the wide open air, that immediately blows away in the wind, isn't going to harm anyone.

Seriously. Some people just like to whinge.

If smoking and vaping were made illegal tomorrow, they'd have to find something else to whinge or be superior about.

FAGS FAGS FAGS FAGS.

LOVELY LOVEY FAGS.

go right nice with a glass of wine, enjoyed whilst sitting outside a cafe watching the world go by.

People smoke outside because they were forced outside by non smokers, cant have it both ways I'm afraid.

It makes me laugh when people moan about a little bit of fag smoke but are happy to breath in petrol and diesel fumes and let their DC breath it in too

I reckon they'd whinge about the distress to their children of seeing fat people in public

YANBU. Outdoor eating/drinking areas should have non-smoking sections. It ruins the experience of eating outdoors if you're surrounded by fag smoke. It doesn't "immediately blow away in the wind" if it's coming from all sides. Smokers underestimate how unpleasant it is for other people; not that they would care as smoking is a fundamentally selfish activity.

Well, eat indoors then. You're guaranteed there won't be anyone smoking near you.

What about places that have only a small outdoor space? Not possible to have both smoking and non for them. But yeah, all these threads are about whingers.

Yanbu. I hate being unable to sit outside because I'd have to breathe in smoke. It's grossly unfair. Smoke at home you disgusting fuckers.

Spring: OMG gross cancer causing smokers in the actual OUTSIDE

Summer: EW fat badly dressed tattooed people outside (with some threads about dry skin on feet)

Autumn: Kids not dressed properly for cold weather shocker

Winter: Fuck off with your Xmas threads already/FB AIBU re grinning kids with piles of presents

''Twas ever thus

I think some of the non smokers need to have a fag and chill.

They seem very aggressive.

YABU OP.

I am with you OP and I often say smokers should wear some sort of dome helmet. Then they could enjoy their smoke for a bit longer, rather than sharing it with the rest of us.

I know fag smoke outside isn't going to harm me, but in a similar way to my reaction to when my children/husband/dog fart when sitting close to me - it's bloody unpleasant. And it clings to my hair.

We went to Paris the other week. Lovely evening, sat outside a little brasserie except every bugger was smoking stinky french fags. When our food came, we had to go inside.

I don't want smokers to be denied the opportunity to smoke and enjoy a drink - I just wish they had entirely separate areas.

I remember my lovely old Nana. Every weekday she would get the bus into town, get a few bits from the shops then pop into the local cafe for her "coffee and tab" break.

When the smoking ban came along she would take her coffee and tab and sit outside. Regardless of the weather.

Why should she have had to give up her 20 minute fag and coffee break just because the sun came out and people who never bothered going to the cafe in the winter didn't like her smoking when they wanted to eat their cheese toasties outside?

She was a feisty old bugger though and wasn't shy to tell anyone who moaned or worse, cough while flapping their hands about, to piss off.

I am currently in a lovely cafe that used to have an indoor smoking section.

I'll personally woman the barricades for the smokers to retain their tables outside!

Your Nana sounds great, Deb

I would have loved to have had a coffee and a fag with your nan, Deb.

When I was a 20 a day smoker, before the smoking ban, my friends and I would never have lit up while someone was eating nearby indoors or out. It's bad manners regardless.

IME smokers (or maybe its just people in general...) have become less considerate in the last 10 years or so, many come across as if they are still sulking about the ban. About time they got over it and found some manners again.

I read an article a few years ago which basically said that if you drive a car then you have no right ever to criticise a smoker. The amount of fags which would have to be smoked to equal the harm pumped out by one car in a year just would not be possible.

I haven't smoked in a decade but I do have fond memories of weekend afternoons spent in beer gardens - pint in one hand, fag in the other.

Well said we all have wings :)

I'm not sulking. I like sitting outside smoking.

YANBU. It really annoys me that you can't sit outside on a lovely sunny day and enjoy a meal or a drink without someone lighting up at the next table.

And no, I don't feel any sympathy for smokers who have been 'forced' outside. When the law was totally on their side, most of them behaved like selfish tossers, blowing smoke into your face, holding their cigarettes out over your table in restaurants, lighting one cigarette after another on a night out regardless of the discomfort they were causing other people. And when restaurants started having smoking and no smoking areas smokers either ignored it and happily lit up in the smoking area, or dragged all their non smoking friends into the smoking area of restaurants to suit the minority in the group who smoked.
That's why non smokers started to lobby vocally for a total ban.

It's even worse if they have a dog sat next to them, especially a Staffie. Just because they are Outside they think they do whatever they like, when other people are sitting there trying to be all healthy and getting Vitamin D n shit.

Stop whining hoover
You goody goody