i would fricken BAN smoking at tables outside eating establishments

[ElizabethHoover]

Its just GOPPING.
Its like a nicotine based apartheid ( slight overstatement) where the TINY percentage of smokers (a sixth of the population) in the country force the rest of us inside to get away from their stench and litter.

GRR

Sorry - halogen heating not "lighting"...

Fucking well said.

Can I roll you one?

I wonder if, I could have a pub with a beer garden just for smokers & all non smokers are banned from using it? It seems fair to me

Would non-smokers who are not up themselves be welcome, Steam?

'People are so square these days.'

There do seem to a number of sanctimonious bellowing from the pulpit about food, drink, lifestyle piety and death to all those who don't live that kind of life.

It sucks the joy out of life.

Yes they would welcome. Whinging non-smokers would be asked to go and sit inside or leave the premises. My pub, my rules

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Save your local pub.

Why are the lovely country pubs empty? Use them. They serve teas and coffees and mineral waters/soft drinks in the afternoon.

Not a drinker or smoker in sight and the villages near me have pubs with playgrounds and jungle gyms and swings.

Use them all day and leave the smokers alone in their little space.

Do not complain when that gorgeous little pub closes down as you loved it sooo much you never went there because it was 'full of smokers' or you had a swift half on Christmas Eve next to a roaring fire with a jovial host.

Maybe the people who bought it and turned it into a house will invite you round?

I doubt it. A local pub or shop cannot survive on a local who spends £3 a year.

So then...all you non-smokers who, when polled said "they would go to their local pub if smoking was banned"?

I haven't seen anyone new in my local, so where are you? No doubt sitting at home drinking your fashionable little cheeky number bought from Tesco.

I love it when non nicotine addicts come on to boast about how they made a decision not to smoke.

Well good for you?

I started when I was 16. I never believed I would get addicted as quick as I did. I thought I could try it a few times and that would be it. The addiction took hold very quickly. Why did I try it? a mixture of peer pressure and just wanting to see what all the fuss was about I guess. I never believed it would turn into a huge addiction. I was a kid and I thought I was invincible from addiction. Stupid it may be, but extremely common.

The help you get now is still crappy though. NRT really doesn't work that great. E-cigs are helping more people than ever but you still get people looking down their noses at us vapers and people wanting to ban them.

No boasting from me - it was a conscious decision, the obvious choice to my mind. My sisters both smoke, so they took the other route.
None of us are wrong, they made their choice, I made mine.

Let your dc's run around in a pub garden on a sunny afternoon

No, take your puerile brats to the park - pubs are for adults who don't want fecking kids inflicted on them - unless it's a Shitty Highwayman, Charlie Chalk or similar dosshole.......

If I smoked I'd be blowing smoke & flicking butts at the little shits....

At the age of 13 when I started, it was a decision under peer pressure after a bit too much lambrini. It happens, sadly, and until good quality electronics came along, I smoked an awful lot as a coping mechanism.

And guess what's being demonised now? Can't fucking win.

I'm a smoker. Tell me where I'm allowed to smoke and I'll go there. In Cairns you have to cross the street from eating establishments, which was fine - clearly signed, ashtrays provided everywhere where smoking was allowed. The UK has a lot to learn about segregating smokers in a way that lets everyone enjoy the outdoors, but stop whinging and be a positive part of the solution. For the record, I do always ask people near me if they mind me smoking whether indoors or outdoors and certainly wouldn't smoke whilst people were eating. But...

People smoke, you have no right to tell them to quit so how about finding solutions to make everyone comfortable. You certainly don't have the right to tell them not to smoke in a designated smoking area. Yes it's a filthy habit, but so is sneering. I don't ask you to freeze your tits off or stand in a cramped corner every time you want to look down your nose at me, so how about advocating giving smokers somewhere nice and comfortable to smoke and we can all be happy. There are solutions, plenty of them - you see them all over the world, but whilst you are all too busy bitching and sniping about it (and I refer to both sides here!) instead of putting pressure on establishments and local governments, the UK will not spend the money in this area.