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to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

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Mumof4worried · 22/04/2015 19:09

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

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Chattymummyhere · 22/04/2015 20:39

I see that city first hand and immigration has completely taken over certain areas as this school article shows where not one single pupil has English as a first language. Not the daily mail.

www.theguardian.com/education/2013/feb/28/school-20-languages-gladstone-primary

I would not be at all surprised if ukip got in, peterborough is a good example of where integration has not happened/worked

usualsuspect333 · 22/04/2015 20:39

Never mind a points system for immigration; I'm beginning to think there should be an intelligence-based points system for being allowed to have the vote, in which anyone stupid enough to support UKIP automatically doesn't reach the threshold.

This ^

parsnipbob · 22/04/2015 20:39

What the fuck is a 'recognisably British' way of life?? What a load of total bollocks.

dingit · 22/04/2015 20:39

True cat girl, true.

catgirl1976 · 22/04/2015 20:40

scattered I have no idea what a "recognisably British way of life" looks like.

Please do enlighten me?

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 22/04/2015 20:40

Scatter - you haven't answered my questions either. What city do you live in? And why doesn't UKIP get traction in London?

parsnipbob · 22/04/2015 20:40

So what is your point? So what if their first language isn't english? Neither was my Dad's when he came here. And now he is fluent.

SpanishMoss · 22/04/2015 20:42

Very brave of OP. Most of you obviously lie about voting Labour. Where is that party now?

PeachyPants · 22/04/2015 20:42

Dingit 'that's the veil leaking out' you mean like emperor Palpatine in Star Wars? [shocked]

PeachyPants · 22/04/2015 20:43

evil aggh.

parsnipbob · 22/04/2015 20:43

Very brave of OP? To post anonymously on an Internet forum? Hmm

Chattymummyhere · 22/04/2015 20:43

The point was purely that integration has not happened/worked in that city when you have a whole school believed to be possibly the only school in England where not one child in the groups between reception and year 6 have English as a first language.

catgirl1976 · 22/04/2015 20:44

Yes Peachy - he's full Sith Grin

parsnipbob · 22/04/2015 20:45

I went to a school where I was only one of two White British pupils in my year (Dad is foreign, but mum is English and English is my first language).

We were perfectly integrated, thanks very much. I'm not even sure what that means. Apparently to many people just that there aren't enough whites. Hmm.

Icimoi · 22/04/2015 20:46

How could your husband's business failure possibly be down to the EU? For most builders it has been nothing but a bonus.

ghostyslovesheep · 22/04/2015 20:48

it's the make up he uses to cover up his 666 birth mark - makes him look plastic

I love that once again this thread has illustrated just how ill-informed with pesky factoids UKIP peeps are - no understanding of the benefits system, reciprocal health agreements, immigrants from the UK in Europe, the effects of EU with drawls, the fact that we already have a points system etc etc

you'd think you'd find out the actual reality rather than blindly believing the bigoted ranting

Spadequeen · 22/04/2015 20:48

Maybe you feel shamed because deep down you know it isn't all about immigration.

LikeIcan · 22/04/2015 20:50

Maddiefan - thankfully, the voting system in this country will never be organised by you.

Icimoi · 22/04/2015 20:52

And IMHO to all of those posters who feel that we should continue as a country giving free housing, benefits and health treatment to all and sundry, would you be prepared to practice your beliefs and allow total strangers to walk into your homes and help themselves to all you own and have worked for? Hhmm? Because that is in effect what this country is doing.

But it so obviously isn't. Immigration to this country brings net gains. The vast majority of immigrants simply want to get their heads down and work - which actually is why more of them go to places like Germany where employment prospects are better.

And you do realise, don't you, that if we pulled out of the EU and all the UK expats came back, they would outnumber all the EU citizens we would be booting out - and would be way more expensive, since such a large proportion are above retirement age.

Threesoundslikealot · 22/04/2015 20:53

No political party will ever have a policy on abortion as it is considered a matter of conscience. Any parliamentary vote on the issue will not be whipped. I doubt any party will have members who all agree on the subject as it's so personal. On the other hand, UKIP candidates and councillors have made some very offensive statements about abortion, in connection with disabled people.

The UKIP manifesto pledges on disability are all perfectly respectable. The issue is that the manifesto is very new, most people don't read any of the party manifestos, and unfortunately for UKIP, recent years have seen a series of UKIP representatives making unpleasant and rather inhumane comments about disabled people. It's an issue for UKIP that it needs to address the impression its own members have given up till now as much as it needs to publicise its manifesto commitments.

ghostyslovesheep · 22/04/2015 20:55

also we DON'T give 'free housing, benefits and health treatment' to everyone

ChoudeBruxelles · 22/04/2015 20:56

What is British though? We're a nation which has been shaped by different cultures for centuries. Things don't stay the same.

soontobemumofthree · 22/04/2015 20:57

Isn't the immigration discussion getting confused tho? Or just me?

there is european immigration - free movement
there is "illegal" (or people without documents yet) immigration - from outside europe - either seeking asylum or better work/other reasons
legal points based immigration from outside europe (usually how the NHS workers from abroad move to the UK)

So UKIP want no free european immigration and there to be the same points based system.
they also want stricter "illegal" immigration - asylum seekers locked up until cases processed and other people coming into country - non asylum seekers - to be returned to country where they lived last?

parsnipbob - day in day out I meet and speak to people from a certain country in europe who are not asylum seekers, and are not escaping any horror, they just came for better work prospects here. Most of them, if they had a similar paying job at home (where they would say is home), they would not have moved to UK. Your post is showing that when you have the opinion that there shouldnt be free movement in europe then you are "shamed" and linked to denying people asylum and supporting colonialism. Surely there should be free movement from outside UK of ALL asylum seekers before allowing free movement of europeans? This I could understand as someones point of view.

parsnipbob · 22/04/2015 21:00

soontobemum did you not read my post? Even within Europe people come here because they get paid much, much better wages. You would do the same. Of course they don't want to leave their home countries but they want to provide for their families.

This is what I hate about right wing politics, they're fucking selfish.

ghostyslovesheep · 22/04/2015 21:02

I work with unaccompanied asylum seeking children - does UKIP want to lock them up?

AS's are already strictly controlled

Illegal immigrants are just that - Illegal so get no public funds and are booted out if caught

all none EU Immigrants already face a points system - they have to have an income about £17,000 per year and have no recourse to public funds (I think it's 17K)