to wish I could vote ukip loud and proud

[Mumof4worried]

I've nc for this, as I generally have to in life.

I'm voting ukip, I live in Peterborough where we have had massive immigration. The affects have been huge. Enlargement of EU distroyed dh building business overnight. The schools are close to bursting and have to do a school run to two different schools, had a 5 hour wait in a and e. Teenage son struggles to get part time farm work like I did when I was a teenager. House prices are out of control, god knows how any of mine will ever leave home.

I'm not saying all of these are 100% to do with uncontrolled immigration, but it has Made the problems so much worse.

I'm not racist, most of my friends are 2nd gen Asians or homophobic, my brother and his husband visit a lot.

I just want an oz type points immigration system. I don't care that lots are highly skilled, that is often very bad as it leads to a brain drain in other countries and my children will have to compete with the worlds most ambitious and motivated people.

I just want to be able to express these thoughts but I'm shamed into hiding them by the media.

Scatter I'm thinking that either:

a) You are using the term "indigenous British" and you don't know what you mean by it or

b) You are using the term "indigenous British" and you do know what you mean by it, but it's not a view you feel comfortable sharing with other people for some reason.

Could you at least clarify which of these is the case, if you won't or don't wish to clarify what you mean by "indigenous British"? That would help my understanding greatly.

Spain, as someone has pointed out, contains more than one 'culture' or 'identity'. And historically it's been influenced by settlers from Arab countries among others.

Including Britain.

There are 1,000 inmates from just one EU country in our jails.
Do you have evidence to support this statement?

Almonds

There are 85, 432 people in prison in the UK. 1000 of those people, from that EU nation, make up less than 2 per cent.

In actual fact, the determining factor here is gender, not nationality. 81,591 of those prisoners are men.

1000 prisoners from one EU nation doesn't prove or even back up anything

I live in an area of low immigration and our schools are bursting too. We also are campaigning in Europe to encourage immigrants to come as there is nobody taking the jobs we have and we are paying agency fees which are stupidly high.
Basically you don't know what you are talking about.

On a personal note - I never grasp why there is so much anger over rights to live in a country. Did you earn your place? No you just happened to come out of your mother's vagina in the right place. Well done you.

Immigration a has been proven to be a good thing for this country but as a ukip supporter why let the facts get in the way?

Parsnipbob is spot on. And those figures come from The Howard League.

Ok, seeing as no Kipper seems able to provide a coherent definition of Britishness, I'll set the example and give you mine. I am white British.

It means tolerance. Openness. Respect. Fair play. Curiosity about other nations and cultures, and willingness to enjoy everything they have to offer without fearing that they might mysteriously take anything away from us. Good humour under fire (sometimes literally). A slight but definite obsession with the weather, and with queuing. Using sarcasm and self-deprecation as a second language.

That's what it means to me. And for my money, Nigel and all his dodgy pals can all fuck off to the far side of beyond, because they haven't a clue about anything at all that's really important in life, and they don't speak for me. Not one syllable.

Hhow would you weed them out? If we leave the EU then we are less likely to get information on people. They'll turn up for their holiday and if they've already broken laws they're less likely to be bothered about overstaying. So still here.

Agree, mother, the notion of moral superiority (which is what it is, let's face it) because I was pure lucky enough to be born in the UK. Baffling.

I didn't get that privilege through talent, or hard work. I didn't get it because you were better or cleverer than anyone else. I got it because my mother happened to be in this particular country when she pushed me out. I, and millions like me, do not 'deserve' anything more than anyone else for that piece of dumb luck.

And I certainly have no right to assert that that piece of luck means other people should be stopped from trying to make the best of their lives by coming here.

I didn't get it because I* was...

Happy to live in your Britain puntastic.

I don't think it's racist to worry about immigration. But I do think that voting ukip is at best turning a blind eye to racism. They are allied with neo Nazi parties in Europe ffs. Too many ukip representatives have said vile things for it to be a coincidence.

So to me voting ukip = I'm ok with people who aren't like me being disadvantaged as long as I'm ok.

First they came for the Jews...

We've joined back up with the benefit bashing threads! Trying to explain to people that luck or otherwise has a huge effect on your life. Some people get the breaks and others don't. Luck can change. Fortunes can change. You don't deserve good or bad luck it just is what it is. Chance

It's the fundamental difference between the right and the left, imo.

To the right, there is no understanding of 'luck'. Everything good that happens to you is because you are a Good Person who Does The Right Thing and you have Made It Happen For You. Probably via Hard Work.

And anyone else, who hasn't got what you've got, is just a lazy, thieving bastard who would have the shirt off your hardworking back soon as look at you...

Some of you really do cherry pick what you want to hear. In my post I totally agreed with lots of immigration, but want it controlled for all our sakes and then I get it in the neck

Indeed. Most of us want immigration but we want it controlled. Thats why its the NO 1 issue of this election and the last one.

Its terrifying how modern day slavers are using free borders to abuse and shop women and children all over Europe as well as into the UK.

No one cares or mentions this though, its all about the big bucks big companies and bosses get from cheap EU labour.

No one cares about the brain drain on the EU counties either.

Good for you for having the courage of your convictions.
UKIP is not the party I am out canvassing for, but I admire someone who has considered reasons for her voting decision.
It is a secret ballot, so you can vote how you wish.
This is far more honest than people who vote tactically, to keep a party out rather than show support for the one that best represents their concerns, because they don't think their candidate will win.

Someone mention the Polish...

I did Dawn. And Spitfires too. Was it UKIP or the bNP who used a Polish piloted Spitfire on their leafleys a few years back?

My DM used to say that the Polish pilots of WWII were real gentlemen but terrifically amorous (as were those other "immigrant" airmen from Canada, Australia, USA, Free French etc.) who fought and died for the allies in WWII. I suppose they only got into the UK because they were "highly skilled" in the 1940s points system.

I can totally understand people wanting tighter controls on immigration. The fact is that the UK has one of the better economies in the EU at the moment, so naturally, people will be attracted to where there are more jobs available.

I agree that, at the moment, there are huge pressures on some social services due to both genuine and fraudulent refugees in the area (and BOTH types exist. No-one can say that all claims are genuine, just as no-one can say that all claims are false).

What I CANNOT understand is why anyone in their right mind would be willing to vote for a party - a party which aligns itself with far right european parties - and a party that doesn't limit it's disgust to "foreigners" but also to women, gay people and other minority groups (you get "indigenous" brits falling into these groups too you know).

It is the equivalent of realising that you realising that you really don't like your curtains, and deciding the only solution is to burn your entire house down.

Also can we PLEASE STOP COMPARING THE TORIES TO UKIP.

You might not like Tory policies (I'm not the biggest fan either), but to compare them to a racist, homophobic, misogynistic party like UKIP is utterly disgraceful.

Almonds I think you are the one who is cherry-picking!

I didn't say 'vote Labour to deal with immigration'. I c+p from the Labour party manifesto, and then in my next post linked to the Conservative party manifesto to prove that both parties have stated what their strategies would be for dealing with immigration

Thus proving to you that it's not only UKIP who are prepared to talk about immigration. Something that UKIPPERS keep insisting on being the case.

This is my personal favourite UKIP analogy.