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Katie Hopkins reported to police AGAIN after calling boat migrants cockroaches!

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FourFiveSecondsFromSmiling · 21/04/2015 18:56

It just keeps getting worse and worse what comes out of her mouth.

I don't disagree with what she is saying just think she uses horrible language.

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feelrejected · 22/04/2015 14:29

We are fed whatever is deemed necessary.

This clearly applies to you Daffs as you seem to be the one with the agenda.

If you cannot say what "statistics" / evidence you are basing your opinions on then they remain just that, opinions.

It's immaterial anyway. Whether or not the boat people are headed for England or other places is not relevant to this thread.

maddiehayesfan · 22/04/2015 14:31

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Anniegetyourgun · 22/04/2015 14:45

Maybe the boat people don't even exist then. We've only got someone's word for it that there is such a country as Somalia. This whole story could be a Government plot to keep us worried.

Inkanta · 22/04/2015 14:52

I like to read a good discussion but some of you here clearly like an excuse to get real mean and dirty. You look more daft than daff! At least she doesn't get personal.

Anniegetyourgun · 22/04/2015 15:01

No indeed, she calls people "dear" and uses smilies. I think this proves conclusively that she is a lovely person. I don't suppose she ever kicked a puppy in her life.

Machin · 22/04/2015 15:05

Maybe you don't realise how it looks Annie.

Your post was reasonable, but Maddie's post above yours is just nasty. It's uncomfortable. It could even cause sympathy for people who wouldn't attract sympathy.

Machin · 22/04/2015 15:06

I think this is a thread for grudges and regulars perhaps.

Inkanta · 22/04/2015 15:09

Annie - are you OK with the name calling - 'idiot', 'bigoted' 'twat' ...??

curlyweasel · 22/04/2015 15:15

I think the op could, reasonably, be accused of being bigoted.

FromAMNtter · 22/04/2015 15:24

daffs
You asked if people would take in migrants? Well I married a Refugee from North Africa. One of the type of people KH is happy to label as a cockroach and see die a miserable death. He wasn't an economic migrant he was an asylum seeker because his country had descended into civil war, the UK granted him asylum because most people in this country are decent and compassionate.

You know nothing about the circumstances that have driven people to risk their lives and all their money on a shitty boat run by criminals. Do you really think people would take the risks they are just because they think they can blag some free treatment on the NHS?

Research has shown that refugees often don't even know that we have a benefit system because it doesn't exist in the same way in their country (in the same way that some Americans are surprised that healthcare is free in the UK). They assume they will be able to get a job and work to support themselves. They don't necessarily know which country they will end up in and they don't necessarily pick a country where they know the language.
Summary
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/assets/0002/8653/chancechoice.pdf

Full research
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/assets/0001/5702/rcchance.pdf

Anniegetyourgun · 22/04/2015 15:28

I do think she is (deliberately?) displaying ignorance and bigotry, yes. Also on this site, swearing as such is allowed (or I for one would have been banned years ago). However calling someone an idiot or twat directly is a personal attack which contravenes Mumsnet guidelines, and I see Maddie's post has been deleted accordingly. I can understand why she found it upsetting enough to lash out and I don't judge her for that. Nevertheless of course it was appropriate for it to be deleted.

I may have lied about the puppies.

maddiehayesfan · 22/04/2015 15:42

Your post was reasonable, but Maddie's post above yours is just nasty.

Not half as "nasty" as daffs' bigoted opinions, yet I see they're allowed to remain.

imip · 22/04/2015 15:46

Bloody hell, I knew it... Well she's definately thwarted any further political ambition with this, a perverse upside I guess...

Icimoi · 22/04/2015 15:47

I do not trust any type of "statistic"

Really? So if your employers came to you with, say, records of their expenses and profits over the last three years, or employment statistics, you wouldn't trust them? If you don't work in the commercial sector, you wouldn't trust any statistic your employer produced in relation to whatever it is they do? Have you told them that you believe that all their statistics are unreliable and untrustworthy?

I take it, also, that when your children's schools produce statistics each year demonstrating their success rates in terms of SATs or other exams, you don't trust those either? And when it came to decisions about things like vaccinations, you didn't trust any statistics about their safety or otherwise?

How do you function in life, daffs?

Icimoi · 22/04/2015 15:50

Most asylum seekers are in practice desperate to get back to work so that they can attain a degree of normality and support their families. Hence the fact that more aim at countries like Germany which has higher employment rates than the UK.

Pyjamaschocolateandwine · 22/04/2015 15:53

Still rumbling on.

My opinion remains. Katie shows us how people can be de humanised by calling them cockroaches and leeches who are a threat to our ordered society.
This is how the nazis came to kill 6 million people who they shaved/starved and dehumanized too.

Vile vile vile woman.

Pyjamaschocolateandwine · 22/04/2015 15:55

And if Katie or any of us lived with the threat of Isis coming our way you bet your arse we would all chance our lives on a chance to get to peace and freedom and safety.

daffsandtulips · 23/04/2015 10:04

I'm front line in a service that see's many a thing believe me. No I don't trust anything our government or the powers that be feed us.

To clarify I have said that if I were in their shoes I would want to come to England.

I have said that this is the country of choice for most.

Some people on here fixate on one person again and again if they don't share their view, turning things around to the point of ridiculousness. The anger on here the emanates from some is rather shocking and sad.

catgirl1976 · 23/04/2015 10:06

But Daffs. For the millionth time, this country is clearly NOT the first choice for most. Otherwise we'd have the most immigrants. But we don't. We have roughly half the amount of Germany and France. People keep pointing that out to you.

Your logic seems to be "I would come to England, therefore everyone else would want that too". It's not a very robust point, is it? It's not backed up by any stats, it's just based on the fact that you like England (because you live here).

daffsandtulips · 23/04/2015 10:24

Catgirl, suffice to say I cannot divulge what I do for a living - sound like some sort of super spy now Grin. Do you really believe these people have a choice in the matter.

My concern is the amount of very nasty posting from people who deem to care. It's strange and hypocritical.

Everyone is allowed a view. Views are never going to be discussed in a fair manner when people are constantly attacked in such a bitter and angry way.

OrlandoWoolf · 23/04/2015 11:38

Is it nasty to point out that you can have an opinion on where people want to end up but the data from the UN seems to show that people seem to end up elsewhere?

catgirl1976 · 23/04/2015 13:03

I'm not being nasty, bitter or angry.

I'm just pointing out that you keep putting forward an opinion as fact and you are unable to back it up in any way (because it's just an opion).

You are entitled to have an opinion - any opinion you wish - but when you keep presenting it as fact, don't be surprised when people ask you to back it up, given it is clearly unsupported by any data or evidence.

Anniegetyourgun · 23/04/2015 13:13

No, shocking and sad is poor, terrified people - some of them children - having their money scammed out of them and then being cast adrift somewhere near land from which they may or may not be rescued. Sometimes the boats are set on fire ffs Sad The opinion that not rescuing them is in any way a sane or decent option is extremely unpalatable to, I hope, most of us. It's no wonder if strong views are expressed, confronted with someone who is content to see people drown because it might discourage others from trying the same route (clue: it won't). You splash around a lot of bogus claims which you defend on the happy grounds that governments lie, so you can cling to any belief you like, rational or otherwise, by simply discounting all the evidence that doesn't suit. Then you have a go at people for arguing unfairly. Right.

Bitter and angry, I should bloody well think so too.

ps I think you've misunderstood the meaning of "deem" as well.

SpinDoctorOfAethelred · 23/04/2015 14:05

If I was a Somalian refugee and I had any knowledge of European benefits systems, and I could just pick whichever European country I wanted, I would pick Germany, actually. Or Wales.

But not England.

RosesareSublime · 23/04/2015 14:06

But as a person that lived on the south of Europe on the path of massive boat illegal immigrants, having a massive arrival in a city of desperate people that lived with other rules & standards all their lives is a catastrophe, even if it's just as a passage to another country. Most simply cannot adjust to our 'soft' policing, and make everyday living very dangerous, especially for women. Do not think I lack empathy, but this unchecked massive welcome we do at the moment is driving to great danger for local people. I cannot stress enough the insecurity

Interesting post ofafrenchmind,

are you able to expand, why its dangerous etc, what has happened and so on.