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To not want the SNP to form part of teh next government.

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AICM · 09/04/2015 08:17

I have nothing against the SNP but they have (obviously) got their own agenda.

I want the next government to put the UK first not Scotland.

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DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:01

Yes I know how it works! Greens are mostly everywhere. As are LibDems, and obviously Tories and Labour.

SNP, not so much.
Neither are UKIP (thank god!)

Hamiltoes · 09/04/2015 20:03

It's really not hard. The SNP are based solely in Scotland! They do not deserve a prominent place in the politics which governs the whole union! You know... the rest of the UK! The bit they've been trying to dump and will continue to do so!

So really it boils down to the fact that you don't agree with their policies. Trade my example of the green party for UKIP then, I can't vote UKIP in scotland but if everyone in the north of England voted I'd have to put up and shut up, because its called a democracy.

Or, say the N of E created a North East Party, whose sole aim was to bring back some sort of industry to the north of england. I genuinely don't think anyone would bat an eyelid because alot of people outside the North could class that as a worthy cause.

Its purely the fact you dislike SNP poilicy. Can I ask, if you took away the independance aspect of the SNP and purely went on their other policies, would you vote for them? I suspect not, so I can't see any worth in your argument.

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:08

I don't agree with many of their policies at all no.

If to address your point, if you were being represented by a party you couldn't vote for, you'd have every right to complain!

Devolution has gone some way to addressing this.

I would not vote SNP, irrespective of their view on independence, which to some extent I can understand although I don't agree with. If a NE party was voting to remove the NE from the UK, I wouldn't agree with them either.

As far as the SNP is concerned, their policies are ill though out and more importantly their figures, don't add up. Were you on board with the projections of wealth based on N. Sea oil revenues then?

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:16

Perhaps we should total the amount of revenue the North Sea has generated. Perhaps then we should count the revenue from the steel and ship building industries...oh wait we can't as the Tories destroyed those industry, that's the the Tory party that wasn't voted for in Scotland

I'm not an SNP supporter but I am getting pissed off with theses types of threads turning into an anti Scottish debate

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:18

For the record, I don't vote Tory!

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:19

that's the the Tory party that wasn't voted for in Scotland

But voting Tory IS an option if you're in Scotland (an a not insignificant percentage of the population did so).

Voting SNP if you are English - IS NOT!

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:21

It's some ways it is worse as millions voted against them but still had to be governed by them

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:23

People seem to think that Scots might vote SNP because they want independence, and for some this might be the case, but for a lot of people they will vote as NS looks like a better option than Tweedledum or Tweedledee

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:23

Rubbish! Many more millions, simply based on population numbers would not vote SNP! There is really no comparison now is there?

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:25

I honestly don't know who to vote for!
My labour candidate is pretty crap, I won't vote lib dems or green.
Tory is looking like an option .... but .....

UKIP is NOT an option at all.

But I don't want to waste my vote, not cast it badly. I really don't know what to do.

On balance, my Tory candidate seems to be the best option.

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:25

Rubbish...that's your response ???? You live with it for ayers and then come back and tell us how it feels

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:27

Yes there is a comparison when 90 per cent of people in a country didn't vote for the party that governed them

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:28

You're missing the ypoint!

You HAD the option to vote Tory. You clearly didn't want to, that's your choice. Being governed by a party you don't like but could vote for is one thing.

Being partially governed by a party you can't vote for (and therefore can't make a protest vote against) is a whole other problem.

Arguably, the latter is not democracy in play!

I can understand why Scotland wants it's independence.

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:29

But Scotland is party of the UK, and therefore more people in the 'country' did vote for them.

You would prefer independence so it seems? If I was Scottish, I don't know that I wouldn't too.

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:29

Scotland is a part of the UK

YesILikeItToo · 09/04/2015 20:29

She's not going to Westminster. She could perhaps be co-opted into government, but that's a bit inappropriate because Scottish people have mandated that she spends her time running Scotland. And in any event, that's NOT THE PLAN.

APlaceInTheWinter · 09/04/2015 20:31

YABU but I guess you know that.

Unless you're suggesting that you've always been desperately concerned about how representative parliament is and it's accidental that you are only voicing this concern now when part of the country may vote for a party you don't like. Hmm

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:31

I realise it's hypothetical that NS would be in Westminster. Clearly she can't be!

But the SNP, the party she leads should NOT have a any major influence over the rest of a country which IT DOES NOT REPRESENT AND DOES NOT STAND IN.

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:36

Yes I do understand that Scotland is part of the UK and no I do not want independence, and yes there is a comparison when 90 percent of the population didn't vote for the party that governed them....it's the fact that you can't see that Scotland has already been in a similar situation

TheChandler · 09/04/2015 20:37

YesILikeItToo She's not going to Westminster. She could perhaps be co-opted into government, but that's a bit inappropriate because Scottish people have mandated that she spends her time running Scotland. And in any event, that's NOT THE PLAN

Very true. If Labour did end up making up a coalition with the SNP to form a UK Government, we would most likely end up with Alex Salmond as deputy prime minister! And he's likely to be a real pain in the neck. He's not a nice man, he is totally obsessed to the point of not caring who he harms, with independence. I don't even think many dyed-in-the-wool SNP supporters like him.

In view of the fact that Scotland sent the rest of the country Gordon Brown to govern them recently, that might just tip the balance in favour of England encouraging Scotland to become more independent.

YesILikeItToo · 09/04/2015 20:38

Good grief bamboo, we have your point. you'd almost have me voting Nat at this rate. It's a bit bizarre, yes. But not undemocratic.

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 20:38

FGS!
I can see that!
That's my whole bloody point!
Wasn't right for Scotland, wouldn't be right for us.

Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 20:40

I think it was actually the Labour Party that sent Gordon Brown

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 09/04/2015 21:09

Here's another thought. Our democratic process is in flux. First past the post isn't delivering the kinds of government its designed to deliver. That means minority parties hold a balance of power, in a way they've never done before.

Maybe this isn't the worst thing to ever happen to politics. Maybe it will shake things up. Maybe this will be a completely different conversation 5 years hence - maybe the SNP will start to put candidates up in England. Maybe UKIP will withdraw totally to England. Maybe a country that's better together can evolve together...

DamnBamboo · 09/04/2015 21:11

Maybe a country that's better together can evolve together

Agreed. Not sure Tories or SNP are a big part of that.