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Could I vote UKIP.... if it would regenerate my town?

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AngelDreams · 05/04/2015 21:13

We have a failing town, the last bank has left, we still have a post office, and a couple of other shops, and there is a little car park there, where they charge you as soon as you get there.

We (me and my friends) think that if it was free for a couple of hours we would go in and get stuff, maybe go to one of the cafes there, but no, as we can get free parking in the nearest (slightly bigger) town, we just go there.

I was talking to a local shop owner who is up for election on the local council - he said he wants to sort the parking, but cannot run on the lib/green/lab/cons side as they are all in the 'keep parking charges' for various reasons. He said he is going in as UKIP as he would never get in as an independant. I dont think i could bring myself to vote UKIP though....

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MonstrousRatbag · 07/04/2015 20:50

very few have tried to integrate with English culture

You're implying that in all cases the English were ready and willing to integrate with the newcomers. That was not always the case, by any means.

You cannot blame immigrants and only immigrants for everything you don't like about the status quo. E.g., why blame immigrants for taking jobs but not the employers who want to drive down pay and conditions to Victorian levels of awfulness and seek out immigrants who are willing to accept them?

If you are working class you have a lot more to gain by solidarity with immigrants than letting stockbrokers like Farage and his very wealthy backers play divide and rule.

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 20:51

I could say so much more but will hold my tounge. Things that have happened personally due to being White . So, will leave the thread now. Mass Immigration has affected my life and the life of many people I know. As stated up thread... I would not dream of going to another country and "demanding" anything. I would hope to be accepted. Unfortunately this has not been the case and hence drastic measures are happening now. It hasn't come about out of no-where and if you think so, then you are the "naive" ones.

BIWI · 07/04/2015 20:52

Why leave the thread though? Why not stay to argue your case? There's no point making these claims and assertions without any evidence or arguing your point.

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 20:57

I have a view, I have stated that, I dont want to argue.

BiscuitMillionaire · 07/04/2015 21:01

My god there are some thick people on this thread - elections for a LOCAL COUNCIL do not elect MPs, they elect local councillors. The OP is talking about the local elections. MPs represent their constituents' views in parliament. They are two completely different things.

ArcheryAnnie · 07/04/2015 21:01

I remember people being told to not fly an English flag either. It's enough.

Ah. I must have imagined my British brother (black) giving an England shirt with the St George flag on it to my British ex-husband (brown) for his birthday, ooh, ten years ago? You are right that in the olden days, flying a St George flag was seen as code for being a racist (mostly because it was, in fact, a code for being a racist), but times have moved on.

And as for anyone hurting your sister - I'd object to that whoever did it, and whatever colour they were.

BIWI · 07/04/2015 21:09

Why not daffs? Why not be prepared to support the claims that you're making?

This is exactly the problem with UKIP. They can't provide any evidence whatsoever to substantiate the things that they say.

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 21:19

A bit like me then Grin Im not claiming anything, I'm saying things as I've seen them. Other parties have fucked up royally so this is what's happened.

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:19

If you're working class and vote UKIP, then you're voting against your own interests. You're voting for a party of nutty ultra Thatcherites with a veneer of populism. You can oppose a lot that the EU does from a left wing perspective too.

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:21

This thing that UKIP supporters say ; 'something must be done'. Like what? What actually do you think Farage is going to do about immigration? Stop it? Limit it? UKIP are very reluctant to release any policies at all. Who do you actually think that you're thumbing your nose at? Who is this mythical 'them' that stop you flying the cross of St George and penalise you for saying that you're English?

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 21:23

And you know this for a fact then do you Uncertain? Of course you dont. You know what you've been "fed". I want a shake up and this is the only way I know how to make one happen. Like I said, things have got to change before there really is some sort of explosion. It's been a "pandoras box" situation for a good couple of years now.

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:24

Stu nails it

Could I vote UKIP.... if it would regenerate my town?
BetterTogether75 · 07/04/2015 21:24

I told a Kipper on one of these threads that they are a flat tax party, so someone on minimum wage would pay the same as a billionaire, and also they would destroy workers' rights to sick pay, holiday pay, maternity pay. She got in a big huff and flounced off, what can you do? Confused

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 21:24

UKIP have made other parties think about their policies, no matter what you say, they have.

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:27

How will voting UKIP shake up anything? How is a party of fruitcakes that Farage keeps having to shove back in their boxes, associated with a bunch of people who used to be in the Tory party, going to shake up anything? You do realise that elected UKIP representatives are worse than useless once they get some power? Have you scrutinised their MEPs voting record? I doubt it.

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:27

BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ACTUALLY DO???

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:30

And you know this for a fact then do you Uncertain? Of course you dont.

I know a darn sight more about it than any Kipper. At least I engage my thought processes and investigate things. I don't get all arsey because someone once called my auntie's brother's nephew a honky once, and then try an extrapolate a whole political theory from it.

BetterTogether75 · 07/04/2015 21:33

Oh, UncertainSmile Grin

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 21:35

Grin Who knows, we have yet to see. Im game for giving them a bit of power to balance out the other two parties though.

daffsandtulips · 07/04/2015 21:41

you read what everyone wants to tell you then make your own judgement, hopefully. Isn't that what most do? I never said I got arsey about it. I stated a fact. I haven't called anyone a name, I haven't implied anyone was "thick". I live a working class English persons life and have seen far more than I wish to write here.

Once again, I am glad that something has finally happened to shake things up.

loveareadingthanks · 07/04/2015 21:47

Hi Daffs

You sound like a sensible, intelligent person and no-one on here has called you scum (that was me who got called that Grin) and you don't sound like what we tend to think of as a typical UKIP supporter. The ones I've met are more like Peter earlier. Abusive, aggressive, racist.

You sound more, hmmm threatened? frightened? I don't know where you live but if things are that bad, then I can understand why you are starting to think the way you do. But...and it's a big old but...most of the country is not like that. Immigrants are a tiny minority. the majority just get on with their lives and do pretty much integrate. It's a minority of a minority who cause problems and it's dangerous to react to the whole issue on the basis of those few people.

I'm the leftie scum mentioned by your fellow UKIPer earlier. I'm also a white working class person, like yourself. My race and background don't drive me to UKIP. I've also never been afraid to describe myself as English. I am not proud to be English, not exactly, as it's not something I achieved for myself, but I do feel incredibly lucky to be English. I love so much about this country, even though it isn't perfect, and English culture.

One of the main problems I have with UKIPers and the other right wing parties, is that they want to define what real English is, what English culture is, how we should feel, to the extent that if we have different political ideas then we are not patriotic, are scum, are traitors etc. Our way or you are the enemy. that is a highly fascist view. It worries me. One of the things I love about the UK is that we are a democracy. The view that if I don't agree with your politics means that I am not as much a citizen as you (Peter wants to deport me along with all the immigrants), that I am a traitor, blah blah is anti democratic and therefore actually very anti British culture.

ouryve · 07/04/2015 21:49

How the hell would voting UKIP regenerate your town? Confused

(I clearly need to RTFT in the hope of clarification)

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:55

But they don't do anything. Once they are elected, the are the worst ones for the gravy train. They are actually worse than useless.
And Farage? He's a Roderick Spode for the 21st century.

"The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?"

In the end, populists are found out. They offer simplistic solutions to complex problems. I'm no fan of large aspects of Islam, I've had posts deleted on this very site under an old username about it, but you don't fight Islamofascism with the home grown sort.

UncertainSmile · 07/04/2015 21:58

loveareadingthanks, exactly. It's what I'd have put if only I wasn't quite so overexcitable.

ouryve · 07/04/2015 22:01

I live in the most leftie of labour areas and many of our local towns have free parking for at least part of the day, btw.

As for needing something costing 50p, I either walk to the village shop or wait until I have several things to buy or do before paying my £7 return busfare into Durham (14 mile round trip plus £2 parking by car)