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AIBU to find it disgusting that gypsies have taken over a school playground

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Adizzylass2014 · 04/04/2015 22:17

whilst attending my best friends wedding today in a little village I was horrified to see that gypsies had taken over the school playground. There was rubbish all over the floor, children and dogs running all over the place and scantily clad women puffing away.
why a school playground, these people have no morals. The poor caretaker is going to have his work cut out for him as there was at least 15 caravans! Angry

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Fifis25StottieCakes · 05/04/2015 18:26

I don't see a problem here in the NE, there may be some but not that i am aware of. We have councils who have invested, created sites and upgraded existing sites and instead of fighting them they have worked with them and the local communities they are placed in. There's an article in the Newcastle Journal from 2012 about it. Elsewhere it seems that everyone is against them and don't want them in their village so fight against planning for sites. Planning was put in to increase our towns site but there were no objections to the plans whatsoever, i suspect in other areas, nice leafy villages where sites exist that locals would fight against them expanding. The problem's seem to arise because everyone is against them, maybe the traveller's were there first.

I believe the established sites probably have a hierarchy, seems to be one family who runs ours and i guess its what they say goes so people tow the line, when you have these pop up sites you just have angry, displaced people who have been abused by locals, told 'their kind' are not wanted because they bring an area down, they have no where to go, everyone is against them so F**k the system, they have screwed us, everyone is against us so i will leave all this mess and smash things up, why keep it nice, doesn't matter anyway as its clear we are not wanted, whatever we do we can't win anyway. That seems to be how it goes.

Where do you house them? Give them priority over folk on the waiting list already? that causes more resentment. They are then given a house they don't want to live in while someone else is pushed down the que, someone who's probably waited years and years. There are not enough houses to house the people who need and want to live in them never mind bumping people who don't up the list so they don't make illegal sites. It seems quite simple to me, invest in and build more legal sites like what has been done here. As long as people keep saying no, not in my back yard the problem with illegal sites will just get worse.

NotallTravellersarebad · 05/04/2015 18:27

Sorry I meant, everybody has to apply for permission to change its use, not just Gypsy/Travelllers.

JacquesHammer · 05/04/2015 18:29

Give them enough places to go then, Jacques

But where is this land coming from?

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:29

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expatinscotland · 05/04/2015 18:30

'Indeed. But I imagine a travellers site gets a hell of a lot more opposition than a caravan site...'

Why? Is it because the site would only be for other 'travellers' and not the public? If so, I can see why. That's discriminatory. The council would not be allowed to build a block of flats and say, 'Only for blacks/Jews/Asian Muslims' or any other particular ethnicity. Imagine the hue and cry if they did that.

'Plus, I imagine that as a population many travellers would not be able to afford the land.'

I cannot afford to live how I want to live. So I have to live how I can afford.

Plenty of people cannot afford to buy a place to live, or a caravan or a motorhome, campervan, etc.

That's too bad. They have to either live within their own constraints or find a way to earn more money to live how they want to live, not expect the government to provide it just because they're them.

Some peoples' families fished for centuries in communities. When that way of life died in out in those communities, they had to find another way to make a living.

SmillasSenseOfSnow · 05/04/2015 18:32

Read the fucking thread, landrover.

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:33

Have done, Smilla :-) You don't have to swear, you know?

bigfam · 05/04/2015 18:35

I don't see Travellers as a race? They are a bunch of people who think the law doesn't apply to them. They pay no tax, no car tax or insurance, no council tax? Why are people defending them

That's just someone trying to wind people up right?!

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:35

And Smilla, you haven't answered my question? Why do our laws not apply to them? Why do they not insure or tax their cars etc?

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:36

Still waiting for somebody to answer my question as to why our laws don't apply?

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:37

And I have absolutely no problem with travellers on sites that abide with the law!

bigfam · 05/04/2015 18:37

Landrover you're unfuckingbelievable Angry

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/04/2015 18:38

Why? Is it because the site would only be for other 'travellers' and not the public?

Travellers sites are a specific category for planning permission... And no, that is not the issue. The issue is that, as shown by this thread, most people heavily dislike travellers and would work hard to prevent a new traveller site in their vicinity.

I cannot afford to live how I want to live. So I have to live how I can afford.

I guess this is down to personal philosophy. I believe that councils should make affordable housing available to all that want it - rent can be paid by individual or state depending on personal circumstance.

Floanna84 · 05/04/2015 18:39

landrover I am a traveller who pays tax, council tax and car insurance, as do the rest of my family so your ignorant comment is completely ridiculous and untrue!
And it doesn't matter if you 'don't see travellers as a race' the fact is, they are, by law, a recognised ethic group so your thoughts are irrelevant!

ResurrectAndEatShitChoc · 05/04/2015 18:39

Probably a cowardly namechanger

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:39

Whilst I am on here, why do Travellers not use their caravan toilets?

Christinayangstwistedsister · 05/04/2015 18:40

Land rover

You are an embarrassment to " us"

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:41

Really Floanna, thats great, why do you think others don't abide by the law? Do you use your caravan toilet?

landrover · 05/04/2015 18:42

But Christina, nobody has answered my questions?

ResurrectAndEatShitChoc · 05/04/2015 18:42

land do you kill people? Do you know why non travellers don't abide by the law?

Yes that's how thick your question sounds

Christinayangstwistedsister · 05/04/2015 18:44

You mean your sweeping generalizations

Floanna84 · 05/04/2015 18:44

I wouldn't know landrover as I genuinely don't know of any of my family or others travellers who don't.
You clearly do if you believe that is the case so maybe you should ask them.

Coconutty · 05/04/2015 18:45

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bigfam · 05/04/2015 18:49

Got to be. No one's that much of a t##t