AIBU to find it disgusting that gypsies have taken over a school playground

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whilst attending my best friends wedding today in a little village I was horrified to see that gypsies had taken over the school playground. There was rubbish all over the floor, children and dogs running all over the place and scantily clad women puffing away.
why a school playground, these people have no morals. The poor caretaker is going to have his work cut out for him as there was at least 15 caravans!

You can use the word gypsy sexyhouse although it was a misunderstanding that we came from Egypt. Why does gorger offend you? I am genuinely baffled.

Also Why do you think travellers are entitled not so much who is going to provide it for them...

doll scroungers!

Is the unemployment rate 80% in the settled community? Nope, its 10%. Why would I mention that then?
If they are properly registered as self employed they aren't included in the unemployment figures

Genuine question - If you're a traveller here in the UK, who do you pay council tax to? Because surely if your community are leaving crap behind then it's those who permanently reside in the area that foot the bill and not the perpetrators?

Tbh dunno why everyone is making this a race issue when it's clearly a dirty and inconsiderate twat issue and nothing more. If a certain group is actually to blame, how is it racist to point this fact out exactly? I'd be as riled at travellers leaving shite everywhere as I would a couple of campers pitching a tent, or a bunch of contractors leaving a mess after a job. Why shouldn't they be called out on it?

zirca If you move en masse onto an unofficial "site" with no facilities for disposing of the mess which you cannot help creating that is in itself an act of vandalism because it can only end one way.

Slippers what? Gypsies and travellers are two different communities, They aren't different terms for the same group.

Being a traveller is a lifestyle choice it is not a race or ethnicity as it is not permanent nor is it a cultural heritage.
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IT is a ethnicity and it is a cultural heritage. Its protected as so by law. You don't know anything about it.

If I buy a caravan and move into a traveller's site, does that give me the 'race' or 'ethnicity' of a traveller?
My DP is very clearly of a different 'race' to me, and has suffered actual racism. If he comes with me to the travellers' site, will we both now be the same 'race'?
How many difference 'races' can you belong to?

Of course the original gypsies/romanies/roma were/are a 'race', but for the majority of the travellers today it is a lifestyle choice.

Why does gorger offend you? I am genuinely baffled.

Personally, it makes me feel slightly uncomfortable because I have the feeling that it is used as an insult, not just a descriptive term. Rather like Pikey which originally simply meant a itinerant person or gypsy but is now used as an insult. I guess it's not helped by the similarity to the verb "to gorge" and implications of greed.

When I googled it earlier, it did appear to be used as an insult.

Darth that's kind of the point. A group of individuals acting despicably should be dealt with individually. The problem is that a lot of posters here Are conflating twatty individuals with not just one ethnicity but two ( travellers and gypsies). There's been less of it later on this thread but certainly at the beginning, people were describing travellers and gypsies not only as being the same but that they (as an ethnic group) were all filthy animals.

If I buy a caravan and move into a traveller's site, does that give me the 'race' or 'ethnicity' of a traveller?

If you go and live in a villa in Spain does that make you Spanish?

Mad your percentages are moot, the ratio of settled people to travellers and gypsies blows it out the water

So why don't they use park sites? You know, join the UK camping and caravanning club, book a pitch for a fortnight and then move on? You don't have to register your ethnicity when you book a pitch. They don't care as long as you pay upfront.

Irish travellers could also be referred to as gypsy just how Roma or sinti gypsy could be called travellers.

There are Travellers, Gypsies and People Who Travel. The latter is just a group of people who have upped sticks and taken to the road, the first two are races/ethic groups.

sallyingforth I am a settled Pavee (Irish traveller) although we no longer travel, we have in no way lost our cultural identity.
We are, by law a recognised ethnic group because we have our own distinct cultural traditions, norms, values and language which set us apart from other groups of people.
I hope that helps you to understand.
And for what it's worth, we have always paid taxes and car insurance even before we were settled.

Its not an insult, it means a non Romany. If someone has said to you in an offensive manner then I'm sorry but its not an insult it's just our word in our language. It doesnt have any implication of greed in our language, google isnt correct there. A lot of our words are taken into English and altered though e.g. chav, shiv.

In any case a lot of these travellers aren't even recognised by true Romany people. I have heard them say this. If I upped sticks tomorrow and decided to tour the country in a caravan I might be a traveller but I wouldn't be a Romany.

'If you go and live in a villa in Spain does that make you Spanish?'

It does if you reside there long enough to take Spanish nationality.

Friends of ours are travellers, although have been settled for a number of years now. They have talked openly about the prejudice that they have faced and I have saw some examples of it on this thread

I believe in equality, respect and supporting various cultures. However I also expect that in return. It is shocking that a group of people would decide that is okay to trespass in a school playground, where is the respect for the children that attend the school?

Andrew. I'm going against myself here in order to answer your question very honestly. ... IMHO, sometimes, a few, I highlight, some, and sometimes, I'm not shitting on my own by any means here, but.
" Shit" happens "because" Gyspsies and Travellers know they are seen as a lowly race, and the mess they leave is a "fingers up arseholes". Therefore life becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, you think I'm a dirty bastard, therefore what difference does anything I do make.
That said, the practicalities of disposing of rubbish has already been mentioned. I'm not making excuses either.

but its not an insult it's just our word in our language

Lots of things are "just a word in our language" but that doesn't mean they haven't been turned into insults, like pikey. Like I said, it just makes me feel uncomfortable as it does give the impression of an insult.

I haven't come across it at all other than on TV etc - my path doesn't cross those of Travellers (other than when my car was surrounded in a carpark by a group of Traveller teenage boys. That made me feel somewhat uncomfortable but it wasn't because they were Travellers)

I suppose a term to lump "everyone else" into one homogeneous group is fairly insulting in itself. [shrug] I'm not going to get worked up about it but it just makes me feel uncomfortable.

Why do they need a specific site for travellers? Why can they/do they not use sites for camping and caravanning then?

It does if you reside there long enough to take Spanish nationality.

Nationality is not the same as ethnicity though.

If you go and live in a villa in Spain does that make you Spanish

Thank you, Soup. You confirm my point very well :)
The very fact that people decide to take to the road, or move into a travellers' camp, does not give them a protected ethnicity nor allow them to hide under a claim of 'racism'.