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To wish Nicola Sturgeon could be Pm

236 replies

Autocorrectisdumb · 04/04/2015 10:56

She seems so genuine and actually seemed to care. She came across as strong though which means she is pm material.

Ps I know its impossible but we all have hopes.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/04/2015 23:34

I don't give a flying whatsit about her accent, but as a resident of Scotland I do give a damn that she is ignoring what the majority of my fellow countrypeople voted for last year.

My area voted 77% NO and she wants another IndyRef 'as soon as next year'.

FUCK OFF - don't tell me you represent me and then ignore me and mine on something SO fundamental.

Is she going to keep asking us until she gets the answer she wants? angry

I really, really dont understand this poi t of view. Where is the issue? If the SNP (and Greens/SSP) dont represent the wishes of the majority of the population, then there won't be a pro-independence majority in Holyrood, and there won't be a referendum. Confused

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/04/2015 23:34

WHY would you vote for someone who ignores her own country people on something to vital as Independence????

ps the outcome would be you'd be shafted and an IndyScotland would be better off (or that would be the aim)

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/04/2015 23:37

ItsAll - because - there has just been an IndyRef.
The answer was NO.
Why does NS want to call another - it's not the 'wishes of the population' is it???

PrimalLass · 08/04/2015 23:37

But why drop the slang but keep the glottal stops?

Because one she can help and one she can't?

babyboomersrock · 08/04/2015 23:40

I know he is insincere and a bit slimy, but there is something slightly fascinating about him in an almost vampirish sense. I suspect he appeals to a lot of elderly female voters

Nice little bit of casual ageism too, for good measure. This thread has something for everyone.

I'm what you'd probably consider elderly. Murphy has been the topic of several online exchanges this evening with equally "elderly" friends who find his views and presentation detestable.

Why on earth would a woman find a man who is "insincere, slimy, vampirish" appealing? Do you think we lose all reason once we're over 60?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/04/2015 23:40

Why does NS want to call another - it's not the 'wishes of the population' is it???

But next year is an election year. If it is not the 'wishes of the population' then presumably the population won't vote in a majority of pro-indy msps (especially as we have PR in Scotland)

UterusUterusGhali · 08/04/2015 23:42

It would be a disaster if the uk as a whole voted SNP IMO, but she's a fine politician.

squoosh · 08/04/2015 23:42

Ugh. Preserve us from another referendum in Scotland.

myusernameisusername · 08/04/2015 23:43

YABU she is a nutter Confused All she cares about is herself and her power trip ego she is just drip feeding you what you want to hear then she will turn full circle and stab the country in the back just like David Cameron did.

squoosh · 08/04/2015 23:44

I quite like Sturgeon but would never vote SNP, nationalism repels me. I also quite like Ruth Davidson, but the chances of my voting Tory are less than zero.

babyboomersrock · 08/04/2015 23:46

I can't see any reason for an educated (7 years, no less) person not trying to improve themselves

So, a person can improve themselves (sic)?

That's good to hear.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 08/04/2015 23:46

ItsAll - not being funny, but were you in Scotland during the recent IndyRef?
It was very divisive and very damaging and very expensive.

Why WOULD a politician be wanting to re-run it again so soon?

On this issue Scotland was clear - by more than a few % points.

It is vainglorious grandstanding.

I'd rather NS tackled the fiscal deficit, for example, which is TWICE that of the rest of the UK -...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/04/2015 00:02

Why WOULD a politician be wanting to re-run it again so soon?

But its not up to the politicians. Confused It is very clear which parties support independence, if the public dont want another referendum then they won't vote for them. Unless you are suggesting that all of the pro-indy parties should have disbanded after the referendum, which is obviously ridiculous.

squoosh · 09/04/2015 00:06

A significant number of people voted both SNP and No.

Besides I think the fallen oil prices would make selling the idea of independence harder than ever.

Hamiltoes · 09/04/2015 01:26

intlmanofmystery & ihave
I watched most of the debate and thats not how I understood it.

She said there would not be a mandate for another referendum as a policy of this election, which is what we are voting for.
Quite sensible really. In five years time she'll set out another manifesto and if they're calling for another referendum then people who don't want that won't vote for them.
It's like saying to labour, well you lost the last general election, can you assure us you won't include x mandate this time? Yes we can. Well can you assure us you won't include it in 5 years time? Well no we can't because no one knows what the world is going to look like or what the will of the people will be in 5 years time.

I think it was a bit unfair to ask a party whos sole purpose is independance to promise they won't include it in any manifesto after this one. Alot of people vote SNP who do want indepence, and alot vote SNP for their other policies. They seem to be putting the indy issue on the back burner for the next parliament which is the sensible thing to do, but who knows what another 5 years of tory rule could do? And what the will of the people will be in 5 or 10 years time?

fullsuspension · 09/04/2015 03:18

I can't support Sturgeon as ultimately I want the UK to stay together but I think it's interesting that, admittedly on a fairly superficial level, the 3 main Scottish party leaders all seem more impressive than our UK options. Sturgeon, Murphy and Davidson all seem to have better leadership and communication skills than Miliband, Clegg and Cameron

RedButtonhole · 09/04/2015 04:29

I'm in Ayrshire, have never noticed anything untoward about Nicola Sturgeon's accent, but if there is anything odd about it then surely it would be because she has been coached in speaking to a wider audience, not out of any false pretence? I have a broad Ayrshire accent but I alter it when I'm speaking to people who are not Scottish or Irish as they find me easier to understand. I don't see what bearing it has on her integrity or her ability to run the country.

Toadinthehole · 09/04/2015 07:52

She says she's on the side of those who want reform at Westminster. I think that's great. Westminster needs a kick up the arse, and I reckon Nicola Sturgeon is just the person to give it.

If she can jolt the establishment out of its sclerosis, complacency and not-so-petty corruption she's on my side. There needs to be a proper effort at constitutional reform and a new Union settlement. I have absolutely no confidence in this being done properly without the SNP being involved.

Let us hope she keeps Salmond on a short leish.

However, if she and the rest of the SNP plan to use their influence to force an early second referendum, then they can all just fuck off. Yes, everyone accepts that Scotland has the right of self-determination. Doesn't you have the moral right to bugger everyone about having votes on it every five minutes.

Toadinthehole · 09/04/2015 07:54

who knows what another 5 years of tory rule could do? And what the will of the people will be in 5 or 10 years time?

There won't be another five years of tory rule. At best, Cameron could limp on until the SNP hold their noses and do something of a deal with Labour to tip him out.

On current predictions, Labour will only be about 26 seats short of a majority. Now, the Lib Dems.....

londonrach · 09/04/2015 08:30

Yabu. I dont like her at all but im not scottish.

Discounted · 09/04/2015 08:39

I can't agree with her politics but I agree she does come across very well, not just in the debates.

I know it's all kinds of wrong but I can't stop looking at her make-up. I can't decide if it's completely flawless or really badly done.

londonrach · 09/04/2015 08:43

Discounted dh and i had same discussion. Also the pink dress was very bright. Sorry we really shoule be interested in listening.

indyandlara · 09/04/2015 09:02

Had Devo max been allowed on the ballot paper in September then I do think there would be very little talk of another referendum so quickly. However it was blocked by Westminster and where we are now, with another referendum being discussed, is due to that.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/04/2015 09:54

ItsAllGoingToBeFine
"If it is not the 'wishes of the population' then presumably the population won't vote in a majority of pro-indy msps (especially as we have PR in Scotland) "

On here (MN) its called voting for the best of a bad bunch.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/04/2015 10:01

On here (MN) its called voting for the best of a bad bunch.

But if independence is a "red line" for you surely any party that supports independence is going to be the worst, rather than the least worst....