So Nigel finally shows his true colours

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453

axing equality laws

Puffinsarefick ...... please feel free to tell me where I am wrong, whether though your own words or UKIP's website.

ivykaty44 ... there has been a huge push in schools over the past 5-years to ditch the 'soft' subjects and take up sciences and maths etc, as well as government investment in boosting medium to high skilled jobs, across the country - and it seems both our children now going to uni studying more rigorous subjects and industry receiving that encouragement, is responding well.

As for the number of doctors etc, we don't seem to know our arses from our elbows, maybe you can explain why this happened as the numbers of new citizens rose quicker than pooh off a bedpan, as it beats the 'stuff' outta me;

March 2007: “Doctors' training system 'a shambles'”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1544307/Doctors-training-system-a-shambles.html

“As much as £2 billion has been spent on the training of up to 8,000 doctors who find themselves without a new job under a Government initiative.”

“Such is the fury at the scheme, called Modernising Medical Careers (MMC), that doctors have renamed it "Massive Medical Cull".

“It costs £250,000 to train a doctor and the "shambles" is said to be blighting the careers of dedicated young men and women who may now leave the NHS. Many are also saddled with debts of more than £40,000 after funding their training.”

Isitmebut I just don't share your faith that in the run-up to an in-out referendum, the facts will be presented fairly and reasonably. I think there will just be a lot of shouting - from both sides. I'd love to see a really civilised, fact-based campaign, and if there were to be one I agree that the outcome would be a vote to stay in.

Sadly I don't think facts will come into it.
Most people will vote according to gut feeling - which party seems the least bad for them.
Or they will be so sick of the whole business that they won't bother.

No doubt about it, they are every 'ist' under the sun. Their attitude and policies towards people, esp. children with disabilities are horrific and if they ever got in, services like the one I work for would disappear, as would many of our clients, I fear. The thing that is really scary, is their very thin veil of respectability. I've seen many on MN, who I always assume to be tolerant and aware, agreeing with and defending their policies, which I doubt they'd have done with Nick Griffin et al. Scary times are coming if we don't watch out.

pointythings .... Re "I just don't share your faith that in the run up to an in-out referendum, the facts will presented fairly and reasonably."

In essence I have to agree with that point.

But surely that is the case with ALL important elections; just think how many tricksy statements made as facts in the recent Scottish Independence referendum, indeed within the current General Election.

Does that mean we should never have a democratic vote on anything?

In regards to the EU though there are fair frequent quotes on the likes of unemployment that need to be challenged and qualified one way or another.

I suspect sallyingforth also has a point that many won't bother, as in EU MEP elections and even general elections - but politicians managed to get the voters out in Scotland, we might be pleasantly surprised on an Eu vote.

Mr Farage was on the Daily Politics today as the 'star attraction'; he seemed strangely subdued, possibly because he had nothing new to talk about, mainly because the presenter Jo Whats-her-face when asking all guests a question, let them get three words out before interrupting.

Basically she had her list of questions and didn't really give a cows fanny what the answer was, which didn't make good viewing, and 'Nig' would have come out seeing it as a political prime time wasted opportunity. IMO.

Back on the subject of immigration/equality, I see that Food Magician & Blogger Jack Monroe has signed up for more greens, or was to the Greens? lol

She cites her departure from the Labour fold in a headline I saw due to their current tougher(?) stance on immigration and benefits.

Which kinda goes to the point I'm making - as if a political party spends 5-years defending one stance and looking to score political points in opposition for that stance, but then months before an election appears to change their policy - it confuses the bejezus out of their own CORE voters.

The sad thing for such a core voter thinking they have change from a strong party support/personal endorsement, is based on the previous 13-years, I doubt if they've changed at all - based on how much effort they previously put into promoting both original policies.

I'll be voting UKIP because i think that British people should take priorty in Britain for jobs, healthcare, housing and benefits.
I don't see why people from another country should be accorded the same rights here that British people have. This happens in no other country in Canada jobs get given to Canadian applicants over and above foreign nationals, Australia have quotas and designated jobs they want to fill if your skills are required you don't get in.
Eastern europeans i have met send all the money back home which is taking money out of our economy and insure the cars that they drive in the uk in their home country to reduce cost. thats also taking money out the economy.

Politicians are responsible for letting manufacturing die in this country and ignoring the North.
Current politicians have a vested interest in staying in the EU at all costs, as they all go onto well paid jobs in Europe once they have finished in Westminster.
Nigel Farage is not part of the old boys network and doesnt care if he won't get a sinecure in Brussels. the establishment is shit scared of losing their place on the gravy train.

Nigel Farage is not part of the old boys network

What makes you think that, pay? And what makes you so sure that he is not interested in the so-called "gravy train"?

This happens in no other country in Canada jobs get given to Canadian applicants over and above foreign nationals,

that is 100% false. if you are a landed immigrant in Canada, you have priority as a citizen.

that's because Canada is not an idiot like UKIP.

insure the cars that they drive in the uk in their home country to reduce cost. thats also taking money out the economy.

I doubt this happens on a grand scale because it is a monumentally stupid idea.

Canada doesn't give priority to citizens of Poland, or the UK over it's own citizens. KEEPITSIMPLE you are correct when you said you have priority as a citizen of Canada but not as a citizen of another county I'm not sure what a "landed immigrant" is.

Farage can't get on the EU gravy train if he has taken the UK out of Europe,I would say he's the least self serving politician around.
yes I agree insuring your car in one country and then driving it in another is a stupid idea, but it's cheap and many people do it

Farage can't get on the EU gravy train if he has taken the UK out of Europe,I would say he's the least self serving politician around.

What's your evidence for this? Please don't talk about what he might be going to do if elected - we have no means of predicting the future. Perhaps you could tell us instead how he has already proven that he is less self-serving than the other party leaders through his conduct to date?

Also, please could you clarify why you think he isn't part of the establishment/old boy's network. What does that mean exactly?

I agree with you.

Canada doesn't give priority to citizens of Poland, or the UK over it's own citizens. KEEPITSIMPLE you are correct when you said you have priority as a citizen of Canada but not as a citizen of another county I'm not sure what a "landed immigrant" is.

then look it up. A landed immigrant is a foreign national that has the right to live and work in canada indefinitely (it's sort of the equivalent of indefinite leave to remain). So, a Polish citizen who isn't Canadian is on equal footing with a Canadian if he is a landed immigrant.

Canadian born people don't have higher status for employment than naturalized Canadians or foreign nationals who are landed immigrants.

Just think about the fallout from such a policy (half baked idea of UKIP of giving British born citizens priority). it would be an utter disaster.

UKIPers seem to not see the other side of the coin. Canadians also don't have priority for jobs in other countries. Brits also exercise treaty rights in europe. Those Britis in europe might be unemployed here collecting benefits.

But on the subject of Canada, Canada has about twice the migration rate of the UK, but isn't dysfunctional like the UK about it. The main reason, likely, is that they don't have a completely warped housing situation. They don't try to house 1/3 of the population (like London) by giving them housing benefit, they do it by building more houses. They build far more houses despite having half the population (though much higher immigration rate).

Payuktax …. Looking through the reasons ‘why I will vote UKIP’, I wonder if we are talking about the SAME UKIP, indeed the UK, in almost everything you said.

Re Canada; or anywhere else outside the country membership of the EU who don’t need the agreements of many of countries within a Treaty, who currently don’t want to change the free movement of workers.

This is very simple, if any voter wants Treaty change or come out of the EU, this can only be done by negotiations leading up to a Referendum, NEITHER of which can be achieved by voting UKIP, who insist on a 2015 Referendum to support the Tories so no negotiations take place, but also ensure the Conservatives will not be in a (parliamentary majority) position to have ANY Referendum in the first place.

Farage is not out for himself; unfortunately his own words do not back that up, as he seems to have little respect for taxpayers money.

“Ukip leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses-
Farage used EU allowances to finance his euro sceptic message”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

“Nigel Farage calls for MP pay rise to £100,000 - just weeks before announcing where he will stand in 2015”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-mp-pay-rise-to-100000--just-weeks-before-announcing-where-he-will-stand-in-2015-9593756.html

Re the North and Manufacturing; as Farage backtracked on the High Speed 2 (HS2) and subsequent inter northern city rail links, a part of Osbornes ‘Northern Powerhouse’ project, I have no idea what his plans are and you clearly don’t know the difference in the two main parties.

Labour’s 13-years of countrywide ‘economic growf’ was to hire a million or two quangocrats, managers and non job employees and spray them around the country; a plan that would come apart at the first recession, as the annual budget deficit would rocket.

And manufacturing halved under Labour from the 23% of the economy in 1997, so the Conservative coalition has spent a lot of time trying to both rebalance the whole economy away from the reliance of government deficit spending, and via various business reforms, look to stimulate old and new private sector industries while addressing the North-South divide.

Which is starting to show results.
www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-2956127/North-West-s-growth-catching-London-capital-s-production-output-grows-3-7-12-months.html

They build far more houses despite having half the population (though much higher immigration rate).
And they have vast areas of open land to build them on, unlike the UK.

that is 100% false. if you are a landed immigrant in Canada, you have priority as a citizen

Of course you do - once you are a LANDED IMMIGRANT. Just try getting that status in the first place, eh??

Of course you do - once you are a LANDED IMMIGRANT. Just try getting that status in the first place, eh??

I never said that was easy. I was saying that Canada doesn't prioritize citizens, and that's part of the issue. UKIP is suggesting that WITHIN THE UK, even amongst citizens, there should be a priority queue for jobs. That is very different from Canada. People permanently resident in Canada all have the same priority, citizens or not.

What astounds me is that people think the UKIP plan will help workers given that their main aim is to restrict the rights of workers. There is a group that will help, and it's business.

Seeing Mr Farage today commenting on a UKIP MEP's (Janice Atkinson, standing for Folkestone & Hythe on May 7) assistant attempt to take advantage of EU expenses as “couldn’t look worse” - after he could boast several years ago of nobbling the taxpayer for £2 million - brought visions of 'pots', 'kettles', and 'noir' humour to mind.

The MEP's 'lot' is a financially happy one, which I believe is still as follows.

MEP salary of £78,000 annual salary + Daily attendance Allowance + Staff Costs + £3,500 a month allowance to spend on basically what they want.

In the past the £3500 expenses allowance was paid into an MEPs bank account each month whether claimed or not, with no questions (never mind receipts) asked.

On the Daily Politics just now A.N. suggested that MEPs now need receipts for their expenses.

Could it be that a UKIP campaigning for much tighter financial controls in Brussels, have been caught out BY tighter EU financial controls requiring them to even ask for a receipts??

Now THAT IS funny.

When Trevor Phillips asked him about discrimination on the basis of colour, he said a law was unnecessary because people and UKIP don't discriminate on the basis of colour. Well, of course they don't! It's illegal

doh!!