So Nigel finally shows his true colours

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axing equality laws

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"Here are the immigration stats from ONS since the last election:"

2010 - 600k
2011 - 589k
2012 - 500k
2013 - 526k
2014 - 624k

Are those NET immigration figures, as UK citizens returning home ARE included (18% of the last figure if memory serves), as if it is NOT, you are being disingenuous at best.

Please give the whole breakdown.

Well we've been fucking patronised and sold down the river by the Conservatives and Labour for years and years. Many people think this and will vote for UKIP as a protest vote.

More fool them!

Well we've been fucking patronised and sold down the river by the Conservatives and Labour for years and years.

To me, this is the salient point. The big professional parties are reaping what they have sown.

It's an interesting aside that voting increases with age. It leads to the proposition that some older voters might be deliberately planning on leaving us with a legacy of UKIP

(pictures elder on deathbed May 8th cackling to themselves, having voted UKIP, muttering "I'll teach you to disrespect me")

Are those NET immigration figures, as UK citizens returning home ARE included (18% of the last figure if memory serves), as if it is NOT, you are being disingenuous at best.

The figures quoted are for inward migration only. 31% of those were students.

Overall net migration in 2013/14 was 298,000. This breaks down to net migration of around 352,000 for non-British migrants (other EU and non-EU) and a net loss of around 55,000 British citizens.

The thing is - employers can employ a British person over a foreigner if they want to. They can choose on the basis of nationality if they want to - providing the competing candidates are equally capable and qualified, that is. It's so easy to answer the question - you can say that candidate Y (the British one) performed better at interview, answered the questions in more details, possessed personal and professional traits that would make them fit better within the existing team - blah blah blah. It isn't rocket science to get away with this as an employer if they really want to.

The existing anti-discrimination laws really only serve to counteract really blatant discrimination even then they don't work that well - how many times has that been tested? The same person sends in two identical applications but gives a British style name in one and a foreign name in the other - watch what happens to offers of interviews. Bad as the current laws are, removing them will make things 1000 times worse.

2010 Net Immigration to the UK = 250,000 in 2011 = 240,000 2012 = 176,000

Figures from ONS .

I have no figs for 13/14...

How is the UK meant to support the number of net migration people coming into the country. People can't get a school place, can't get a doctor's appointment. Hospitals are overflowing. Even if they do build hundreds of thousands of council homes they simply won't be able to keep up with the demand if this carries on.

I think countries should be given a quota of people accordng to their size. New Zealand a country roughtly the same size as the UK or so I am told has less than 5m people and still operates a really strict immigration policy.

All of you who are worried about UKIP gaining popularity , better hope ED does not get in to power by doing a deal with the SNP.

If Miliband does a deal with the SNP for parliament , I think the government would last 18 months at the most (when the will Govt say 'no more to Sturgeon and Salmond) The result will be that UKIP will poll over 30% in the resulting election. Those of you wanting Miliband in power , should be careful what you are wishing for !.

Why should employers favour 'british born' workers? surely, most employers would prefer to hire whoever brings the best skills/experience/qualifications regardless
of country of birth.

I have a few foreign colleagues and I know for sure they were hired to to certain skills all the native applicants were lacking.

you realise getting rid of this legislation will make it EASIER for bosses to discriminate against British workers though - right Mr F

choc I agree that employers on the whole will want the best person, not just the best British person. I'm an immigrant, I have never obtained a job by offering to be paid less. Every job I have been offered here I have been offered on merit - because I was the best. Why should an employer settle for less?

The attractiveness of the UK to immigrants can be dealt with quite simply - by making the benefits system contributory, the way it is in many EU countries. What you get out is in relation to what you have paid in - this means that people who have paid in don't fall off a cliff financially when they lose a job, the taper is much slower. And if people can afford to buy new interview clothes, pay for travel, brush up their skills with online or other courses, they will find it all the easier to get a new job quickly. The UK benefits system does no-one any favours.

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What has me laughing and crying in equal measure are his insidious and dangerous comments about not needing race discrimination laws because the UK is post racial.

I agree. I know, quite irrelevant but it's like a government law which doesn't oblige Academies to follow healthy eating rules with their school meals (unlike non-academies) because "they are so good, their brilliant stuff already know about such stuff, they are surely past it" And then of course they put vending machines with several junk to eat from.

Terrifyingly my mothers female neighbour will be voting UKIP openly and proudly.

She didn't take maternity leave and doesn't "believe" in it! Apparently women should either decide to stay at home with their children or pay someone else to. She sees large amounts of mainly Somalian people lie openly to get benefits with support of specific charities (national lottery supported) who coach them into pretending various disabilities through their medical assessments. She sees this through her work and tells everyone about it. Therefore in her logic all immigrants are bad etc etc

And there are more people out there like her

So all Brits are white OP now are they? Seems like you are the racist here. Assumptions that anyone non-white doesn't count as British?

It is young black people who are losing out most to the influx of cheap labour. Cheap labour that often does not have to pay full cost of living in the UK but maintain houses and families in the much cheaper EE countries.

Most of the non-British who mainly get the jobs are white. Think before the automatic knee-jerk cry of "racism" that gains you so much "support" on here.

Agree with engeika on that point.

Whatever we think of Farage, it is notable that when he talked about "Brits" lots of people assumed he meant "white Brits" and called him racist.

Says a lot, that.

It also bothers me that a few people upthread are suggesting that immigration is good because "they'll" come and do all the menial jobs we don't want to.

I believe immigration is generally good (up to a point) but that's not one of the reasons why. Do we want an underclass of non-Brits cleaning our bogs because we're too grand?

People can't get a school place, can't get a doctor's appointment. Hospitals are overflowing

That isn't the case in the UK as a whole by any means. Its the case in the south-east, especially Greater London. The UK is suffering from generations of social and economic mismanagement which have left large parts of the country to stagnate, shifting everything towards the south-east.

Immigration is good. But not when immigration means the number of people coming in vastly exceeds the number of people leaving. You don't have to be a maths genius to say that more hospitals, schools, houses and jobs will be needed to keep things from getting worse and worse and worse.

Whatever we think of Farage, it is notable that when he talked about "Brits" lots of people assumed he meant "white Brits" and called him racist.

I called him racist because he wants to scrap laws against racial discrimination. How do people deduce from that that he wants to help black British people?

He said he wanted people who were born in Britain to get jobs over people who are migrants to the country.

He said he wanted people who were born in Britain to get jobs over people who are migrants to the country.

Yes, Vivienne, and when asked specifically if a UKIP government would retain legislation to prevent employers from discriminating on the grounds of race or colour, he said no.

Out of interest, do you think people who weren't born in the country but do have British nationality should have equal opportunities, or should they go to the back of the queue as well?

I am obviously stunned to discover that a white male doesn't think racial discrimination is an issue any more!

If there was ever a right time to use the phrase "check your privilege" this must surely be it!

From the Independent:

Phillips asked: “In Ukip land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds of race or colour?”

Farage replied: “No. We are colour-blind. We as a party are colour-blind.” He went on to say that concern about race discrimination “would probably have been valid” 40 years ago but that is no longer the case.

Anyone who reads this and claims that his comments were only about nationality is in denial. He can backtrack now and pretend that he is really champion of black British workers, but he said what he said. Like hell UKIP is colour blind!

He doesn't acknowledge that racism is an issue in modern Britain and he doesn't want to keep the legislation which currently affords people some protection from discrimination on the grounds of race or skin colour.

Why the fuck would anyone argue that people should have the right under law to discriminate against other on such grounds, unless they were, er...racist?

I don't suppose he would even know where to begin checking his flipping privilege!

Nothing new here from Farage. I wonder if his touting this line because his been ignored by the press and main parties recently. Another publicity stunt.

Instead of flowering up his statement to try make it look more politically correct, he should have said exactly what he meant. "Let's go back to the good old days where people put these posters in their windows"

UKIP are a racist, bigoted party IMHO!

Nothing new here from Farage. I wonder if his touting this line because his been ignored by the press and main parties recently. Another publicity stunt.

Yes, I think that's probably true. He is an odious little man, but he isn't stupid. He can't have made those remarks without realising the stir that they would cause.