Aibu to be schooled at the stats about muslims

[Inabitoftyhme]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

I think this study is worrying and also fantastic at the same time.

Worrying over the Charlie Hebdo 27%. But fantastic that 93% feel british.

Whilst the majority of British muslims are secular to a degree these stats do point to a minority (1 in 10) that think violence is warranted for drawing a picture of Muhammed

This seems very high - do you have a link to the data?

I found this:

11% feel sympathy for people who want to fight against western interests

But that could refer to resentment of western involvement in e.g. Iraq - it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with charlie hebdo.

Also sympathy isn't the same as agreement.

mia :what factual inaccuracies i thought i was just voicing my feelings? pm me by all means mia i promise i wont be sarcastic,rude, or use bad language i can vouch for that.

anya, post what you like. Most of us are very much in favour of anything being written. That's what the UK is about. If people are offended they need lessons in anger control or therapy or to go off into corners to cry - tough suck it up. Things offend us. We learn under the age of 10 how to deal with it. I am offended by women covering their head but I live and let live like most of us do however offensive I find that covering.

why is it offensive jilly? In all the years i did not wear it i never found it offense but i did find it strange, but that;s because i was ignorant as to why it was worn. But that;s not the reason i wore it more deeper reasons that i dont want to get into here. i do want to know why its offensive.

you know in the local tesco a woman in her 40s stopped me in the veg aisle, i was with my daughter who was 5 back then but very wise for her years. she said "why do you wear that , you don't need to wear that in this country" . i thought what the hell have i done to offend her really im minding my business getting some veg? So really i want to know why is it soo offensive?

I had an interesting conversation with dh today who is muslim and a British citizen, but not born here. I showed him the article about the BBC survey. He said 'I am not surprised, a lot of the Muslims living here have no respect for this country and I find some of their views worrying.' He also told me that he goes to pray on a Friday with friends from his country (one of the few democracies in the muslim world) in a room in someone's office because they couldn't bear what they would have to listen to in the nearest mosque. I have never heard him so openly critical of the muslim community here although I have noticed he is very fussy about the backgrounds of the dc's muslim friends. He has become utterly sickened by the goings on in the name of Islam and is starting to become more vocal.

Acts of violence against those who publish images of the prophet Mohammad can never be justified - Agree 68%, Disagree 24%, Don't know 6%

Posted to soon, not 1 in 10 but an alarming number

very interested by lem73's post.

Damn phone, that was question 2:c

Acts of violence against those who publish images of the prophet Mohammad can never be justified - Agree 68%, Disagree 24%, Don't know 6%

That just leads to more questions: What is an act of violence? If not never, in what situations do you think violence would be justified?

I think the questions look like they were thought up in 5 minutes to be honest. I'm very much of the opinion that radical islam and anti-western sentiment is much higher in Britain then people would like to believe, I think some people think it is limited to a couple hundred people whereas it's probably closer to 200,000, but, we can't really infer anything from this poll.

I imagine that Britain kept when France banning the wearing of a hijab headscarf in schools and public buildings because it's got nothing to do with Britain what laws France has.

britain didn't keep quiet. The British press loved covering the ban on the hijab (the school ban). You could feel that Britain and the British press felt superior to the French on this issue. And, frankly, I agree with french muslims on this one. The ban in france only serves to fuel the argument that france does not in fact respect freedom of expression like they claim to. French muslims have a good point on that.

Why would public money be spent guarding hebdo offices.

are you kidding? They were repeatedly threatened for doing their job. protecting journalists and free speech is a great way to spend public money.

But i think your beliefs are wacky yet i wouldnt encourage muslim journos to produce publications mocking you or any other belief system.

I think there is a rather good reason why secularists mock the religious and not the other way around. keep in mind that faith is at the core of religion, and from that follows all sorts of crazy beliefs (condoms are evil, virgins in heaven, crackers turning into jesus etc etc etc), which lead to hugely damaging acts. Second, secularists are sick and tired of theocracy, creeping or official. I can't stand that we live in state with an established religion. the tax money, the schools, everything. it's too much. Religions make grand largely indefensible claims about how we should live. expect criticism and mockery.

On another note, if anyone wants to understand why Muslims feel so strongly about Prophet Muhammad - please read his biography. The one by Karen Armstrong may be a good place to start.

There is plenty of evidence that muhammed was not as armstrong described. However, that aside, I don't see how that explains why muslims should feel so strongly about him. To muslims, muhammed is clearly more than just a great man, so any description of his deeds is won't explain why muslims feel the way they do. I too have personal heroes; I couldn't care less if anyone made a cartoon of them.

anya, the reason I find women covering their head as offensive if not more so than many muslims find cartoons of the prophet is because of my equally deep held beliefs about women's rights.

However what I have said above is I would not ban it even though it cuts into my soul and damages other women and their children and engrains morally currrupt sexist practices because like most UK muslims and atheists I am happy to live in a tolerant society and if I am offended I will just suck it up and tolerate because that is the better path.

On people's love of their invented Gods there is actually research which shows some people have genes more likely to make them believe in a God and of course Christians too often have a profound love of their own supposed God too. I am sure the Londoner who has been doing all the beheadings does that for the love of his God too. We breed our extremists very "well" in the UK sadly.

keepitsimple I find myself at odds with everyone on this stuff, because I think retaining the Church of England as our established religion is probably the best defence we have against genuinely harmful theocracies.

The worst the C of E is ever going to do these days is serve you a weak cup of tea and some muddled advice on voting.

The worst the C of E is ever going to do these days is serve you a weak cup of tea and some muddled advice on voting.

no. Tax breaks, special schools, special treatment. Did you know that discrimination in employment in this country is illegal EXCEPT for religious schools? Yes, 35% of our schools can legally discriminate in admissions and employment. That's appalling.

other places don't have established religions and keep theocracy out. Canada, Australia, US (maybe), etc.

at keeping theocracy out in the USA

at keeping theocracy out in the USA

they are doing a better job than we are.