Aibu to be schooled at the stats about muslims

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html

I think this study is worrying and also fantastic at the same time.

Worrying over the Charlie Hebdo 27%. But fantastic that 93% feel british.

Anyone who says modern society is incompatible with their religion is ridiculous in my view.
What are they objecting to? Education? Work? Computers? Other technology? Travel? Freedom to utilise all this?

lord knows! Electric whisks and Ipods!

although I do dislike self service tills ...wouldn't ban them though

I do not for one minute believe that a group of Muslim 5yr olds cheered about 9/11. That's is absolute utter bollocks. They wouldn't even understand what was going on. I know some very very devout Muslims in my family and not one person was anything other than horrified. Seriously the shit ppl come out with on MN abou Muslims is unreal this days

And that person decided to stop being a teacher..really? Rather than think actually maybe this was exactly the kind of social setting she should be in to counter act these potential terrorist 5yr olds? You know...be a teacher...educate? Bull.Shit

People have a right to protest and by angry at things that offend them - you have to defend that as well as peoples right to say offensive things if you are truly in favour of free speech.

of course they have the right to be angry and protest. speech goes both ways. people can offend and the offended can protest until they are blue in the face.

Tbh I heard some despicable things said about 9/11 by Muslims including from some very well educated people. I also heard many Muslims say they were appalled by it. However I do not for a nano second believe this story about school children cheering when they heard about 9/11. Utter bollocks.

I am not a Muslim but I think what they did was pretty shit and whilst I didn't feel pleasure I didn't care that they were shot either.

CavalierQueenCharlotte "I am not a Muslim but I think what they did was pretty shit and whilst I didn't feel pleasure I didn't care that they were shot either."

You don't care that people were murdered because they drew a picture?

This comment is a sad indictment of the position that our society now finds itself in.

Islam is tearing apart our cultural consensus as to right and wrong and normal, so we are in a mire of moral and practical confusion. Morally ambivalent comments like these from CavalierQueen make people more and more vulnerable to extremist rhetoric and messages.

There is no ifs or buts here. It is morally wrong to murder people for something they have said or drawn. It is an offense to civil society. It threatens all our freedoms. As they see us capitulate on one freedom they will move onto the next.

After speech, it will be women murdered for being immodest in a "Muslim area". Will appeasers then come out and say they shouldn't have been "provocative" and that we need to "learn to respect" their beliefs?

The only end to all this is to live under tyranny.

I am not a Muslim but I think what they did was pretty shit and whilst I didn't feel pleasure I didn't care that they were shot either

Does your callous disregard also extend to the Jewish people shopping who were killed ?

And FYI the cartoonists main target week after week was the French National Front. Islam was no more or less a target of ridicule than any other belief system.

YY to everything scatterlight said.

Bollocks. The uk is fucking itself up and tying itself in knots. I have lived in more Islamic countries than not and only find the nutcases like those surveyed with British passports. I don't care that a few people got shot when they were goading and Trying to incite hatred and division. I didn't much care when IRA terrorists kneecapped each other either. Such small minded hand wringing and fake world wisdom and humanity is why things are such a mess. A few idiots get shot and middle England are wringing their hands in shock. Meanwhile their army is invading and dropping bombs all over the shop in the name of oil.

Suppose the slaughter of Lee Rigby is also OK with you too, seeing as how he was part of 'dropping bombs all over the shop brigade'.

No because he was doing a job not trying to incite international hatred and divide. He wasn't standing in the street trying to cause upset division and offence. But to the question of the Jewish passers by. Why is that in any way relevant? What a very bizarre thing to ask.

But to the question of the Jewish passers by.

they were deliberately targeted for being jews.

your concerns about british foreign policy are noted, and I sympathize. but your callous disregard for the violent murder of cartoonists is shocking.

more shocking, this wasn't the most recent incident. Denmark just had a shooting.

By your logic though Lee Rigby's job was worse, resulting as it it did in the actual death of muslims, albeit inadvertently as part of the unfortunate victims of war. Hence his murderers rants about him killing 'their people'.

Meanwhile the cartoonists targeted what people believed in i.e. ideas and didn't disparage or harm muslims themselves.

The Islamists are more coherent than you are.

CavalierQueenCharlotte "I don't care that a few people got shot when they were goading and Trying to incite hatred and division. I didn't much care when IRA terrorists kneecapped each other either."

Again your moral confusion on this issue is clearly apparent. People drawing cartoons are not comparable to terrorist cells. You are confusing offending someone with violently ending a life.

You didn't address my point about the next step on this road to hell. Which is that some other "provocative" act will occur - a woman dressed immodestly, or someone drinking alcohol, or gay men being gay in public - and offended Muslims will respond with murder. Will you then call theses victims "idiots"? Is there anything that religiously inspired nutcases can do which would incur your disapproval?

I don't think it can be stressed enough how this moral ambivalence - which we see all over our media too - is contributing directly to the problem of growing extremism. If adult Western minds can become so morally confused about right and wrong, how much easier is it for immigrant-origin children to be led astray?

I think that drawing cartoons (which you use to deliberately make it sound benign) is irrelevant. It was the intention and that intention was to cause unrest, offence and harm. A soldier follows orders, they don't decide to murder people and they dont decide to "draw cartoons". It's such hypocrisy to jump on a few people getting shot but conveniently ignore other things. If you are referring to British people in Britain being murdered for being gay or women then I agree. Things are seriously messed up and extremism is threatening the status quo of the world. But that extremism isn't being addressed. Instead the media is trying to cause fear and division by trotting out the same old stuff. If the bbc really cared about women being oppressed they would concentrate on less fashionable but more barbaric places on earth.
I am not confused. I just don't agree with you. And I think that some of what you have said (not all) comes from not having much experience outside of one tiny little island.

Also someone mentioned that Christians wouldn't shoot anyone. We have just been talking about when we lived in Texas and what would have happened if Muslims had drawn and printed attention seeking pictures of Jesus and concluded that they wouldn't have stayed unshot for long

all religions deserve to be mocked

if you get upset by someone mocking your faith, then you're faith can't be very strong

So where do you stand on the murder of Theo Van Gogh ?

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, highlighting the Suras that ordain violence against women caused offence, pointing out as she was did that much of the misogony and domestic abuse suffered by muslim women is Quranically inspired.

The apostate in Saudi this week ripped up a Quran. Pretty offensive. Arguably could cause unrest & division to Saudi society if more start to think like him. Fine to kill him too ?

What silly nonsense. It doesn't matter how many things you Google, it doesn't mean I can't say that those people being shot doesn't bother me into a hypocritical frenzy.

"I think that drawing cartoons (which you use to deliberately make it sound benign) is irrelevant. It was the intention and that intention was to cause unrest, offence and harm."

It may have been their intention to cause offence. The "unrest" and "harm" however is purely the result of the excessive sensitivity and inability to tell right from wrong of extremist Muslims. Again you are saying that being offensive must necessarily lead to your violent death.

The ease with which you give this ground to the extremist position means that you put the rest of our society in peril. All it takes is for Muslims to define new areas of offence. Today it is cartoons and any critical thinking about Islam (which is be definition "Islamophobic") and tomorrow it is wearing skirts and being gay.

Your posture of detached "there are more important things to worry about" cool is unproductive. You cannot pretend to be interested in global human rights when you won't even defend those precious ones that we have at home.

If "our society" means the uk I totally agree. The British Muslims are mental. Lots of ME schools are not recruiting them because they have extreme views. I lived on a compound in Doha where my new neighbours who were fresh out of Bradford and never been abroad before started locking their maid in the house and we're arrested for beating her because they said she was "looking out of the windows at men". In all my life I haven't encountered many nutters like that even as a kid in Saudi. Why are they so extreme?

The British Muslims are mental what all of them and they are ALL Extremists ? !!

I thought you were an adult. Your latest posts make you sound like an adolescent or just a complete loon.

I'll leave you to your incoherent and inconsistent rants.

Obviously I mean the extremist ones. If I'm a loon you are naive and unworldly. Let's leave it at that.