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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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Bowlersarm · 21/02/2015 13:53

The UK government wouldn't pay a ransom.

ghostyslovesheep · 21/02/2015 13:53

The thought of young adults trotting off to Spain to join the International Brigade in the 30s was in my mind. We can applaud their fight against fascism. They were at the time also viewed as dangerous communists

my Grandfather tried but his mum caught him sneaking out and sent him back to bed with a clip round the ear!

I agree there is a fair amount of grooming and romanticising going on on line - these girls are deluded rebellious idealistic teens

Stealthpolarbear · 21/02/2015 13:58

dont you think bowlers?

JudgeRinderSays · 21/02/2015 13:58

But what is right and wrong depends on the lens you use

What is right and wrong is indeed a matter of opinion
What is illegal though is a matter of fact

JudgeRinderSays · 21/02/2015 13:59

ad the UK would not pay a ransom or give into terrorist demands

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 14:00

No, I know the government wouldn't..... But the families and our more gullible members of the public would!

GiddyOnZackHunt · 21/02/2015 14:00

:) ghosty. Love that.

Stealthpolarbear · 21/02/2015 14:03

ever coordinated that would then presumab be charged with fund

HoldingtheFortress · 21/02/2015 14:04

I'm thinking these girls may end up in Orange suits and held ransom

I doubt it - if indeed the intention of IS is to encourage more girls to go out and join them, then they're unlikely to want to discourage them or frighten them off with this sort of thing.

The UK would raise money for the captors very easily to get the girls back. Or if not money, whatever Isis want. 3 UK girls could be very profitable

Have you not been following the news? The UK (or the US for that matter) don't pay ransoms. IS have murdered several UK and US citizens publically, while the UK and US continue to refuse to pay ransom (and rightly so in my opinion) it's been all over the news, surely you can't have missed this?

Stealthpolarbear · 21/02/2015 14:04

funding terrorists

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JudgeRinderSays · 21/02/2015 14:10

the families and our more gullible members of the public would!

Then they would be breaking the law for negotiating with terrorists? I am sure a very close eye would be kept on the families!!

HoldingtheFortress · 21/02/2015 14:14

This is interesting, an analysis on the lure of IS for young British girls:

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/20/push-pull-lure-western-women-isis

HoldingtheFortress · 21/02/2015 14:18

the families and our more gullible members of the public would!

Then they would be breaking the law for negotiating with terrorists? I am sure a very close eye would be kept on the families!!

I'm pretty sure they would be closely monitored - if you think that the families or british public would just rally to save these girls, then why didn't the same happen for the previous hostages, who were far more deserving of being saved, since they were out there as journalists or aid workers trying to do good and not intentionally going to join IS as these girls appear to have done?

The answer is that there are probably some people in the government keeping a very close control over this, and making sure this does not happen. The UK doesn't negotiate with terrorists, and its public can't be seen to be doing so either.

Anyway, I still don't believe that IS would use these girls as hostages, as they would risk cutting off their apparently rather successful recruitment of young girls.

woodhill · 21/02/2015 14:26

slightly off topic but didn't some of ISIS burn musical instruments. doesn't sound much fun. Silly girls.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 14:29

OP, i personally will not pass judgement on these girls until the full facts are known

Until the full facts are known this thread is just supposition.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 14:34

Of course I've seen the news! I just think the publicity THIS case is creating could be used by Isis in a different way. After all, they've been quiet for a while haven't they? And a new kind of 'outrage' might be what they are looking for..... A bit unpredictable aren't they? I doubt the influx of women going over there is of much importance to them. Possibly more of a hindrance, as someone on another forum has mentioned.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 14:36

aurora that can be said of most threads on mumsnet, all just supposition

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 14:39

26Point2Miles Yes, but not all Mumsnet threads are condemning Children when all they have done is hop on a plane to Turkey. There is no proof of any illegal wrongdoing here.

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 14:40

The full facts will never be known. I think the ISIS version of forensic investigation involves chopping off hands, stoning and throwing people off roofs. I don't think they go much for collecting facts.

kellyandthecat · 21/02/2015 14:43

I have no sympathy for these girls if they have gone to join ISIS! there are just some things no amount of delusion makes o k. it boggles my mind any WOMAN could think that was a wise and smart thing to do let alone anyone else. everyone keeps saying 'fears grow' for these girls but the only fear I have is that they might somehow come back again & cause harm here. they've obviously been groomed and deluded but come on

whodrankmycoffee · 21/02/2015 14:45

I agree with pp I reckon the appeal to teenage girls is the sex but equally being queen bees in this religious utopia. And when you take away the sex with a rugged warrior you are left with some incredibly vicious "Heathers" for the 21st century. That is why I am a bit Hmm about the grooming theory. Grooming to me and I could be wrong implies a desire for a romantic love affair. Isis is allegedly offering this and status to their pure women. It is the status aspect which is disturbing because to have it these girls are co signing the oppression of everyone else. I don't think you can be groomed into wanting to kill and hurt strangers so you can be top dog. You either are a soulless psycho or you are not. If the Isis offer was a romantic ever after of rolling and rugged sex I could drum up some sympathy.

As for racism in this country are we prepared to take this to its logical conclusion that anyone who feels put upon real or perceived is entitled to join a murderous death club and the rest of us must play extra nice just in case....

Finally.
If they cross the border I think they are beyond naughty gobby teens doing a bit of underage drinking and shop lifting. I don't doubt they may regret it but IF they ever come back they must be charged. Because what is going on in Syria is a tragedy for the civilians trapped in the middle and these idealistic dolts are NOT waving banners and writing letters for green peace they are offering support for murderers and rapists who would unleash their brand of mayhem on you and me given the opportunity.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 14:46

DoraGora Proof from ISIS? What? You have no idea these girls have even gone to join ISIS, that is the proof i am waiting for.

I can see Media Manipulation has worked very well on you.

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 14:47

Well, true, aurora. Imran Khawaja, the jihadi who faked his own death, admitted a string of offences. Jihadi John, infamous and probably known by his real name to the security services, probably won't ever see the inside of a courtroom. I suppose you could charge a woman who had cleaned Syrian floors with treason. But, would it work? Is scrubbing a floor treasonous?

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 14:47

Look what happened to tereena shakil, stupid woman! That should be lesson enough