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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 13:41

And dora the pp was referring to the case of the man who travelled to Syria, fought with ISIS then came back and has had no accountability. The article implies there are over 300 others in the same circumstances.
So no, it's not against the law to think jihadist thoughts, but it is against the law to fight for ISIS.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 13:42

I don't thnk you could watch and share those sorts of videos if you didn't enjoy them. They are sadists.

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limitedperiodonly · 25/02/2015 13:42

MistressMia One of your links was to Russia Today so forgive me if I don't take that as gospel.

Perhaps you don't know about them. Or maybe you do Vladimir Putin is no friend of anyone who gets in his way, Muslim or not.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 13:47

you still looking for excuses for them limited are we going for the approach that any links / proof etc. is just made up?

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limitedperiodonly · 25/02/2015 13:51

This is the latest report I found on the Dutch woman who joined Isis.

It comes from a few days after Farahilda’s BBC link. There are probably more updates, but that course of action seems very sensible to me. It's also a better standard of reporting than the BBC link.

This Dutch action also seems sensible.

We had internment more recently than WWII silveroldie2. It didn’t work out very well so I guess that's why the government and security services aren’t as keen on the option as you and OP.

I don't think anyone is saying these girls shouldn't be dealt with in some way. Some of us differ in the ways that should happen.

Timetoask · 25/02/2015 13:52

Agree OP, terrorists of any age should be charged and treated as such. Harsher penalties needed. Any way of taking the British nationality away? I am sure they would be happy to take a new nationality with some fundamentalist country that follows their stupid believes.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 13:55

where did I say I was in favour in internment. I posted that lifetime imprisonment / internment wouldn't really be an option.

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DoraGora · 25/02/2015 13:56

A Daily Mail reaction calls for wailing is hissing, screaming without any practical application. And there is an abundance of it. It's perfectly reasonable to point that out. We're even discussing a problem which doesn't even have a solution, except to do nothing.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 13:58

limited I'm intrigued as to how you think the Dutch handling of the returned terrorist bride is sensible as they give no details whatsoever of the conditions imposed.
We have the whole range from being able to come and go and see who she likes as long as she promises not to blow anyone up right up to house arrest and heavily guarded in her home.
What do you think this sensible solution entails?

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:01

dora dora please for the love of God stop the daily mail thing. It really is tiresome.( especially as I don't think I've ever read a copy in my life)

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:02

I don't think the solution is to do nothing. to do nothing will give people free rein to try and destroy the hated western world

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limitedperiodonly · 25/02/2015 14:03

I'm not looking to excuse them, OP. I'm looking at solutions and I don't think that their case warrants drastic action. Some action, possibly harsh, but not the most punitive.

If they can be proved to have actually harmed others then the punishment should be more severe and should increase, depending on what they have done.

But it makes no sense to punish someone for having links with a terrorist organisation with the same severity as someone who has committed murders and other serious crimes.

They did that under California's 'three strikes and you're out' legislation It wasn't just unfair, it unintentionally encouraged more violent crimes.

If you were a rapist or an armed robber with two convictions - even if just for jaywalking - it would make sense to kill your victim, rather than leave them to give a description to the police. How does that help victims?

I've no idea whether that law is still in place. But it's nuts.

DoraGora · 25/02/2015 14:04

It's a general comment, not necessarily aimed at you, unless you've been wailing and hissing with no application. Rather, as you've asked limited, the sensible approach (not to these three girls, because we can't find them) but to returning jihadi brides is to examine the evidence that we have for what they've done and, where they've broken the law, and it can be proven, to charge them accordingly.

To be honest, that could have been said in one reply, and I think some people did say that.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:08

I agree that the 3 strikes and you're out law is nuts.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:09

I genuinely can't see what the sensible solution is that the Dutch are using with the returned woman. have I missed something as it doesn't appear to say at all what her conditions of release are.

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limitedperiodonly · 25/02/2015 14:13

OP the Dutch court have limited the details they want to publicise.

Strangely, I find myself in agreement with but possibly for different reasons.

I am a journalist (not for the Guardian or anything bleeding heart) and was a court reporter. My experience has taught me that courts and other authorities are too secretive.

People need to know what is being done in their name or else rumours start and abuses occur. Like internment and custody without trial.

I think more details about this woman's conditions for release should definitely have been given because I believe in heat and light rather than hanging and flogging.

And, before you say, I know you didn't call for that. It's just a turn of phrase.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:14

From what I have read, the maximum sentence for supporting / associating with terrorists is 10 years, so the punishments aren't as harsh as they are for rape and murder which can get life terms.

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26Point2Miles · 25/02/2015 14:14

SAnother problem is that now, isis have 3 British passports in their hands..... Other women (very radicalised)who look similar and wear the headscarf covering, whichever one it is, can potentially come back here to carry out isis executions or whatever they want

limitedperiodonly · 25/02/2015 14:14

Strangely, I find myself in agreement with you but possibly for different reasons.

GrindelwaldBeckons · 25/02/2015 14:17

If these girls were by some miracle brought back.Would you be happy for them to get a job in your child's school in 5 or 10 years time ? Would you be happy for your child to sit next to them on the tube, at an airport, even in a shopping mall?

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:18

No limited I am all for transparency in courts. Another of my bugbears are the secret family courts , but that's a whole different thread.

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:19

Anyway ladies, it's been emotional. Thanks for the mental exercise and see you on another thread.
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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:19

No hard feelings limited I'm a nice person really!

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adsy · 25/02/2015 14:20

ooh do I get to be last as well!

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