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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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VikingVolva · 21/02/2015 14:48

"...condemning Children when all they have done is hop on a plane to Turkey. There is no proof of any illegal wrongdoing here."

Then they will be found on holiday in Turkey and come home for the start of the next half term. If however they have joined IS, a proscribed organisation, then there is prima facie illegal wrongdoing, as sections of the most recent Terrorism Acts have provision for extra-territoriality.

None of the reporting I have seen suggests a holiday, of any motivation other than onwards travel to join IS. Have I missed something important?

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 14:50

aurora, I think proof in that sense is a bit beside the point. The point is that there is a flow of impressionable girls going to Syria to join the jihadists. And, they fly through Turkey. I don't have proof that you put shoes on when you go shopping. But, then, I don't need it, either.

funnyossity · 21/02/2015 14:51

Media manipulation? - well the young women can hop onto social media and have the real story out there in a jiffy if they are like any teens I know.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 14:53

Yes you have missed something important.

A quote from you;

"None of the reporting I have seen suggests a holiday".

Emphasis on the "reporting"

whodrankmycoffee · 21/02/2015 14:55

Exactly if they aren't in Syria we will have a nice sad face daily mail article next week explaining their adventure to turkey where they got a nice jewellery and photos.

What's the problem? Their families aren't likely to pretend they are in Syria if they are at home helping make dinner Hmm

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adsy · 21/02/2015 14:57

If they do come back, do you think their school would let them return? I wouldn't want my DC anywhere near nutters like that. Surely they'd have to be kept isolated ( for about 65 years) to prevent them spreading hatred and inciting violence.
Another girl from the same girl went over to Syria last year apparently.

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VikingVolva · 21/02/2015 15:00

Yes, I expect there's a lot that hasn't yet been reported. But if it's an illicit holiday, or some other non-terrorist reason, I expect that would have surfaced by now.

The Turks seem to be investigating, and would surely easily find people who were there for innocuous reasons. (Or are they not competent?)

Nearasdammit · 21/02/2015 15:04

No sympathy whatsoever.

Unless these girls have been living under a rock they know what they're getting into. How long have the news stories about beheadings been appearing now?!

What, they've missed all that have they?! Hmm

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 15:05

Well, if they've gone for a holiday, I'd just phone the travel agent.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 15:10

If you are going on holiday it's common place to be excited about it and to share the details with friends and family. Ask dad for a lift to the airport? Ask mum what Turkish souvenirs she might like?

RandomNPC · 21/02/2015 15:16

The thought of young adults trotting off to Spain to join the International Brigade in the 30s was in my mind. We can applaud their fight against fascism. They were at the time also viewed as dangerous communists.

Yes, by right-wing fuckwits though. They were often celebrated in sensible circles.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 15:24

Ask yourselves why does Cameron keep saying this problem would take decades to solve?

Do you all really believe that with all of our allied troops across the globe that we cannot do anyting about ISIS, anything at all?

Why is it going to take decades to solve?

I persoanlly believe they exist, i also personally believe they are barbaric. What i disbelieve is the message we are being given that they are a serious global threat.

All of our allied troops could put a stop to this right now in lines with all war clauses.

Ask yourselves why they are not putting a stop to it.

What do they have to gain by making ISIS out to be the biggest baddest boogeyman of them all?

Question these stories to within an inch of thier lives, and ask yourselves why, that's all i ask. If you come to the same conclusions and opinions as you still hold, that's fair enough.

The Conservatives have stated often when it was first realised that people were alledgedly going to join ISIS from this Country that he was going to ramp up checks on people travelling to red flag Countries.

It's also apperently known that young girls are alledgedy joining ISIS from this Country and others.

Yet 3 underage girls happilly jumped on a plane to Turkey in full muslim garb with no questions asked whatsoever and it is being stated in our media "as fact" in some stories, that they have gone to marry Jhadis.

Does that make logical sense to you?

gotthemoononastick · 21/02/2015 15:27

'Cry me a river'...that is all.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 15:28

Should have said in muslim headscarves

Sallyingforth · 21/02/2015 15:29

Do you all really believe that with all of our allied troops across the globe that we cannot do anyting about ISIS, anything at all?

aurora I have just two words for you.

Afghanistan
Iraq

Farahilda · 21/02/2015 15:33

"All of our allied troops could put a stop to this right now in lines with all war clauses."

What is the 'this' that they would stop? What follows 'this'? And what type of war are you envisaging?

Does anyone know how to win an asymmetric war? With the loose link ups and franchise type arrangements, how is 'winning' defined?

Genuine questions, btw. Because I don't see how it can be done, and so of course don't know how long it would take, of what could be the cost.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 15:34

Please gve me more than two words, as i would like to understand whether you understand fully all the intricacies of those two wars.

RandomNPC · 21/02/2015 15:34

The Western democracies are very, very reluctant to commit ground troops against IS, because of the inevitable casualties. There is no appetite in this country to use the army against them; we've had a decade long war in Afghanistan and Iraq, with no long term aims achieved, and with substantial loss of lives. Using drones and high level bombing is safer, and 'something is being seen to be done', but is rather ineffective and you can't win wars from the air.
British, French and U.S. involvement in Libya has proved to be an almighty disaster, with Al Quaida and IS now having a foothold close to Europe, and possibly able to destabilise Tunisia next door.

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 15:35

I'm saying this is being allowed to happen.

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 15:36

The main problem is that ISIS are sunnis. The centre of Iraq is also sunni, and not only welcomes ISIS, but those who could defeat it, the shia militias, would (and currently do) massacre the sunni population. That bit is not being reported much at the moment. It doesn't fit the anti IS message. Overall, there is no solution to this problem. You could get rid of ISIS, but all you'd get in return would be some other evil.

RandomNPC · 21/02/2015 15:37

The Iraqi army ran away and abandoned huge swathes of their country to IS. We can arm the Kurds, but it pisses off Turkey.

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adsy · 21/02/2015 15:37

aurora and why would they allow it to happen ( awaits a tirade about global conspiracies and evil US)

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HoldingtheFortress · 21/02/2015 15:37

Well I imagine a few young women in 'full muslim garb' aren't that unusual on a plane to a muslim country. They were unlikely to have been the only ones... Hmm

The thing is, flying to Turkey isn't a crime. The authorities couldn't have stopped them, all they could do was monitor them.

Frankly, I don't think they're the UK's problem if they go to Syria it's their own lookout. The time that they would become the UK's problem is when they either try to return home, or try to persuade more of their friends to join them (one of their friends was already out there when they went).

If and when that time comes, I imagine / hope that the authorities will be watching them and will act accordingly. In the meantime it's down to their poor families to persuade them to come back, but it's not the UK's responsibility.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 15:38

aurora you have no business asking people to 'explain' so you can ascertain how much they understand! Lol you know no more than anyone else!

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 15:40

Does anyone know how to win an asymmetric war? I think Colonel Kurtz, in Apocalypse Now, had the answer to this one. But, the High Command didn't think much of it, and had him killed.

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