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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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Tinkerball · 21/02/2015 10:00

Skylark you have assumed Adsy is a teenager by the sounds of it and they have said they arent, that makes your post confusing.

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adsy · 21/02/2015 10:02

skylark I understand full well that teenagers can be irrational. Amazingly I was one myself many years ago. Doesn't alter the fact that teenagers do know what's right and what's wrong.
What I am puzzled about is why you think I'm a preteen? Have you seen a picture of my youthful good looks?

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ChristyMooreRocks · 21/02/2015 10:05

I'm a bit Hmm at all the 'we had no idea radicalisation was going on' coming from the families and other members of the Muslim communities.

I think there must be some blind eye turning going on somewhere - a bit like church going Catholics in the 60s/70s/80s who 'knew Father so and so was dodgy' but never reported anything.

ILovePud · 21/02/2015 10:05

It seems incomprehensible to me why these girls who seem like they come from normal backgrounds would want to join IS knowing what they have done. How can anybody watch a video of someone being murdered and not feel revulsion and desperate sadness? I wonder if the psychology is something akin to those women who write to serial killers.

skylark2 · 21/02/2015 10:07

Hey ho indeed. adsy, if you're older than 12, you should be ashamed of yourself. They're kids and all they have done so far is to get on a plane. Kids are supposed to have an adult safety net to stop them making awful mistakes - that's why we have an age of majority, and that's why we feel sorry for child soldiers. I guess you think they're to blame for fighting too?

Feeling sorry for a brainwashed child "recruit" is in no way related to supporting ISIS.

gamerwidow · 21/02/2015 10:09

I don't understand how anyone could look at these three girls and not feel sadness at the way they have been groomed. They've been brainwashed in to heading out for a life of misery and exploitation. They have been very stupid but don't deserve to have their lives ruined. I wonder if everyone calling for harsh punishments thinks the Rochdale girls who were groomed also deserved everything they got for being so stupid too?

Sallyingforth · 21/02/2015 10:09

I don't want them to be punished. They get their punishment from being treated as sex slaves and servants.
I want them to be prevented from coming back to the UK where they will have to be closely monitored for life as a drain on the security services.
Going to Syria etc should be a one - way move.

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adsy · 21/02/2015 10:09

Child soldiers are kidnapped and taken from their families then forced to fight under the threat of death. bit different to volunteering to go and join a terrorist group, no?
Surely anyone over the age of 12 has knowledge of how child soldiers are "recruited"

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 21/02/2015 10:10

AHEM

Tinkerball · 21/02/2015 10:10

Exactly Sally.

funnyossity · 21/02/2015 10:12

I think the idea is they will be way up in the pecking order as the good wives and far above the slaves; they are going in order to rule.

ILovePud · 21/02/2015 10:13

I think it's a bit offensive to draw comparisons between the Rochdale victims and these girls. The Rochdale victims weren't going out to aid a terrorist organisation.

Inkanta · 21/02/2015 10:14

I don't know what the hell is going on to be honest. I don't understand it. But something is seriously wrong - for 3 girls to be so blinded - and do this when they live in a civilised country.

Is the source of their problem Muslim related, is it men, or is it their families?

gamerwidow · 21/02/2015 10:14

Sally are you really publicly outing yourself as someone who hopes three teenage girls spend the rest of their lives being raped as sex slaves to teach them a lesson ???????

fatlazymummy · 21/02/2015 10:15

I have no sympathy for them. They know what they are getting into and what their lives will be like. They choose that because they believe that Muslim women are superior to non muslims.
I'm not sure where I stand regarding the parents. I know bringing up teenagers can be incredibly difficult and it is hard to know exactly what they're up to at all times. I can't say I've always known what my kids are doing or are interested in, however I'm pretty certain it's had nothing to do with any form of religion.

skylark2 · 21/02/2015 10:17

"What I am puzzled about is why you think I'm a preteen?"

Because that's the level of your argument. All I have to go on is what you write. I can't imagine anyone older than that, who's thought about it at all, genuinely thinking that a young teen knows right from wrong so we should just leave them to it when they make an awful mistake, even when we might be able to stop them before it's irreversible.

But, like you say, hey ho. I'm not interested in having a discussion with an adult who feels that way. Bye.

Sallyingforth · 21/02/2015 10:19

Nothing like Rochdale at all. They were mainly poor, disadvantaged girls taken up from the street.
These latest girls are educated, able to make clear decisions for themselves, and with the money to buy airline tickets.

Bakeoffcake · 21/02/2015 10:20

The chances of them coming back alive are very very low OP so you won't have to worry.

Did you read the reports of other girls who have gone over there, hoping they die because the conditions they are kept in and the daily rapes mean they'd rather be dead?

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 10:20

I think the promise of utopia is far stronger than the depression and disappointment of representative democracy with its attendant disenfranchisement. The only problem is that utopia doesn't exist. At 15 you do not have the requisite cynicism and life experience to know that. In fact, you probably don't know what utopia is. In short, they've been tricked.

JudgeRinderSays · 21/02/2015 10:21

When you reach the age of 10 you have full criminal culpability.These girls are much older than that.

Inkanta · 21/02/2015 10:21

Sally - yeah.

AuntieStella · 21/02/2015 10:21

skylark2

I read the OP as based on the (suspected, not yet proven) scenario that they have reached Syria.

If they have, then it has become irreversible. It is already too late for them.

Bowlersarm · 21/02/2015 10:22

Very patronising Skylark

I broadly agree with you, op, and at present I have zero sympathy with them, but I'd like to know more about them and their situation before totally writing them off.

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adsy · 21/02/2015 10:22

To the apologists:
let's take the Rochdale case. Should we feel sorry for the perpetrators? After all they were brainwashed by their upbringing and peer influence into believing that's how you treat girls and women just like these girls were brainwashed into going to Syria.
At some point you have to accept that a human being has to take responsibility for their own deeds.

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DoraGora · 21/02/2015 10:23

I think the only solution is the defeat of IS. The propaganda and flights to Turkey aren't going to stop any time soon.

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