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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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Sallyingforth · 21/02/2015 10:25

No gamer. They bring the terrible result on themselves, just like someone stepping in front of a train. We may regret it but we have to accept that they chose to do it of their free will.

MonstrousRatbag · 21/02/2015 10:25

I feel pity for them, in their recklessness and stupidity. I don't suppose they've got any idea how badly they may be treated if they do manage to reach IS.

I also agree they should be charged if they make it back home.

fatlazymummy · 21/02/2015 10:28

I do agree they've been tricked, but that is what religion does. To be fair, it seems that Muslim teenage girls are very sheltered and protected anyway, even in 'moderate' families. So they have less experience of life than British girls.
As far as what happens if/when they return to Britain, hopefully the security forces know the best of action.

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 10:31

It's supposed by commentators that the probability of returning from Syria is virtually zero. Turkey is a different matter. If all they've done is wash clothes and scrub floors, then there's nothing to charge them with. Going to Syria isn't a crime. But, if they've been involved in murder, then they should be charged like anybody else.

creighton · 21/02/2015 10:31

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Hathall · 21/02/2015 10:35

Creighton that's a ridiculous generalisation to make!

We don't even know if the girls have been radicalised. They may have been having an on line relationship and fancied themselves in love.
Lured over there by false romantic promises and may have even sent the money for the tickets too.

SlaggyIsland · 21/02/2015 10:36

creighton that's a bit of a sweeping generalisation. I'd be bloody surprised to find that my lovely helpful next door neighbours, or my sweet funny colleague, think I'm dirt or a whore.
Unless I misunderstand who you are referring to?

ghostyslovesheep · 21/02/2015 10:37

what makes you think they wont be charged Hmm

oh and none of my Muslim friends think I am dirt or a whore Hmm

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MalibuStacy · 21/02/2015 10:41

To those people saying they should be kept in Syria… most of the Syrian people don't want them, either!

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adsy · 21/02/2015 10:42

ghosty although they've obviously gone over there to be a part of the terrorist group, unless the authorities can prove they met up with them therer is notihng they can charge them with.

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ghostyslovesheep · 21/02/2015 10:44

so what is your point - you think they should be charged ...with what

if they have committed a crime they will be :)

meditrina · 21/02/2015 10:46

IS is a proscribed organisation in UK. Any travel to IS-held territory is enough to provide grounds to arrest on return to UK. Anything that provides assistance to a proscribed organisation is an offence, as is membership or purported membership. You don't have to be an active fighter to be committing a crime.

MonstrousRatbag · 21/02/2015 10:48

One at least could be charged because she is travelling on someone else's passport.

Pangurban · 21/02/2015 10:50

I don't know what should be done if they return.

I would just like to point out to people who say these teenagers are just children that Jamie Bolger's murderers were much much younger and they were incarcerated. They were also influenced by their environment and what they were exposed to. Should all under 18's be dealt with as if they have no sense whatsoever irrespective of what they have done?

There were reports that western (especially British) women/girls who travelled to join Isis in their area were involved in the organisation of the women Isis are treating as slaves. I can't imagine how they wouldn't baulk at this. Of course they may also be relishing the power and freedom to treat anyone the way they want without any restrictions because it's like the law of the jungle. Might is right. There is no way of knowing what horrendous crimes they may have committed if they return.

I think it is a very difficult issue as youngsers are heavily influenced by outside, but you can't have some getting an easy cop out while others are treated with a heavy hand by the law.

FreudiansSlipper · 21/02/2015 10:51

while money is still being funded (much from Saudi) and men like Anjem Choudary having the power to influence young people who feel disillusioned this will just keep happening. this could be for a number of reasons but this is who they manipulate over and over again and shall carry on doing so while keeping themselves safe

as someone pointed out before it is not something new and those with power have always manipulated those without these are the people/groups that we need to fight but we will not as we are too busy fighting some young man or woman who has a stupid tragic romantic notion that they can change the world are the ones that shall pay with their lives

I would have though if they come back their punishment will be what they have experienced there lets hope they change their minds soon before they are treated as martyrs and we know what the ultimate price is for being so

SuburbanRhonda · 21/02/2015 10:53

I think it's generally accepted now that Jamie Bulger's killers should never have been tried in an adult court.

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adsy · 21/02/2015 10:59

But do you think they should have been punished?

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creighton · 21/02/2015 10:59

I stand by what I said. if the girls were sent money by strangers, why would they accept it? I could understand if one girl succumbed to fancy talk from a stranger, but 3? come on, there is normally one sensible person in the group. they have gone to impose their superior beliefs on everyone else and clearly don't care who they hurt to do it.

in isis' list of pure/acceptable women, where do you all think you come? how do you think you will be treated if those beasts ever get power over here? the girls who have gone to turkey think that they will be high on the food chain and the rest of us will not. don't waste your sympathy on them.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 21/02/2015 10:59

It really depends where in Turkey they are and how good the people smuggling route is. Turkey is a massively polarised country, it truly is the bridge from East to West... With all the difficulties and contradictions inherent to that.

Istambul, the Bosporous and all the tourist destinations show a liberal, generous attitude towards the west, towards our holiday behaviour but so to international commerce. But this is not the only Turkey, unsurprisingly having borders with some of the most unstable countries in the world. The environment and culture feels very different as you go out towards the east, and South, and by the time you get to the south eastern provinces, they are no-go areas, and some areas barely under central government control.

So, I'd say if the girls are anywhere near the border, it may be too late to get them back - whatever we want to do with them

Pangurban · 21/02/2015 11:05

Suburban, I wonder does that mean that no children tried in an adult court now? Would 16/17 year olds be treated the same as 10 year olds? Or does it depend on the crime?

The trouble is of course with the people involving themselves with Isis is that there is no way of knowing whether they were complicit in crimes or the degree of their involvement.

ILovePud · 21/02/2015 11:10

SurburbanRhonda I think making assumptions that you know what is 'generally accepted' especially around such an emotive case comes across as a bit narrow minded and arrogant.

nochocolateforlentteacake · 21/02/2015 11:19

We've got Syrian friends who came over for a few years ago to work and are well and truly stuck here. They can't get their heads around why girls raised here go to their country to basically fuck it up in some sort of macabre theme park.

Sickoffrozen · 21/02/2015 11:20

I just find it really sad the way the world is going.

I don't hold out a great deal of hope that my DD will get to her old age the way things are going.

This radicalisation of Muslims is only going to get worse and the Russia situation could do too. I dread the day the fairly moderate Obama leaves and some war hungry fella replaces him. Some American politicians are very pro war.

mrsmootoo · 21/02/2015 11:21

Do they not realise that it's mostly Muslims fighting Muslims in ISIS controlled areas? I think they are very misguided and ill-informed, but it's on a par with that girl running off with her maths teacher - a romantic madness. I don't think they are being political, but I do think they should be charged, as a warning to others. Not sure how they could be changed though if they are caught before they get there, as what would the charge be.