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To think that Islamic state will cause world war 3

415 replies

ReallyTired · 16/02/2015 17:13

I feel terrified for the future. I believe that the world will reach a point where there will be outright war to stop Islamic state. In the meantime Russia will annexe the Ukraine and much of Eastern Europe.

I am scared that Islamic state will get hold of atomic weapons. There are Muslim extremists with the intelligence to make a nuclear bomb. There are Muslim countries with uranium deposits.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining#/media/File:Uranium_production_world.PNG

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Justanotherlurker · 16/02/2015 21:30

Ukipers and men's fault then, lovemycats

3% of the Rotherham case was boys, also plenty of women where also involved with the cover up of Rotherham, Oxford, Halifax etc, etc

ZebraLovesKnitting · 16/02/2015 21:33

ArmyDad Oh no, I'm not saying you shouldn't react. In 99% of situations you will. I rather think it's an inevitability that you will punch them eventually. Although a part of me thinks if you'd just dealt with them a bit more firmly initially it wouldn't escalate! I guess basically I'm not saying what should happen, but what realistically will happen.
And I don't blame you for a second for not wanting to go back, I'm sorry for your experiences.

ReallyTired · 16/02/2015 21:34

I feel that this thread has got derailed by the usual mumsnet islamophobes. IS afflicted terrorists have made outlanguish threats towards Italy. Eygpt has asked for international assistance.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31494806

The fight against IS is on multiple fronts and IS have made it clear that they want to conquer the world. In fact I think the home front is the most deadly.

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Lovemycatsandkids · 16/02/2015 21:37

knitted yes and who is looking for the school girls taken last year?

God knows where they are now.

just agree of course there were women doing crap jobs in Rotherham. However the climate of abuse was predominantly sexist stereotypes.

My comment about UKIP comes from the boredom of hearing it banded around as some insult if you don't agree with another poster.

No one has said they vote UKIP so why bring it to the debate.

Justanotherlurker · 16/02/2015 21:40

sovery, I don't think we are buying oil from Isis directly and most of the oil fields have now fallen into 'friendly hands', if you listen to some of the crazy tin foil hat/bat shit crazy conspiracies one of the reasons of the reduced oil price is due to Isis having control of some fields.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/02/2015 21:41

Halal meat is broadly similar to standard meat in the humane killing stakes. A swift cut to the jugular is very effective, even if the animal is not pre-stunned.

Lovemycatsandkids · 16/02/2015 21:41

ReallyTired I think Isis have actually gone too far now. The burning alive of the soldier etc.

I hope this mobilises the whole world against them.

MoanCollins · 16/02/2015 21:49

IS aren't just getting their money from selling oil. Some countries do pay the ransoms they ask for, Italy and France for a start.

CaffeLatteIceCream · 16/02/2015 21:51

Agree with every single thing Wilts has said.

Disagree with every single thing that anybody who has used the terms "Muslim bashing thread", "Islamophobia" or "racism" has said.

Will ISIS cause WW3? Unlikely. But they are a big problem, largely to other Muslims.

In this country, we also have a problem...although not quite so extreme.

The problem is fuelled by white, privileged, leftie liberals desperate to display their multicultural ideals and to call other people "racists". They don't give a flying fart about the welfare of other human beings, they just trot out infantile and meaningless soundbites calling everyone who happens to disagree "Islamophobes". Presumably because it makes them sound "tolerant". Unfortunately, they are not clued up enough to understand precisely what they are "tolerating" - and anyone who dares to tell them is a "racist".

People - it is NOT a hate crime to criticise an ideology. Can you figure out why, or shall I explain it for the fifty millionth time?

An ideoloogy, aka an idea, aka a religion, is not a person. It has no feelings to be hurt, no race, no creed, no sexuality. It is merely AN IDEA.

Criticising the idea, however and whenever, says nothing whatsoever about any human being unless THEY THEMSELVES decide to make it about them.

I can say that the IDEA that the moon landings didn't happen is foolish without indulging in a hate crime against those who hold that view. I can say that the idea that homeopathy can cure a child of diabetes is foolish and even irresponsible without being accused of a hate crime against people who do believe that.

By the same token, I should be able to criticise a set of doctrines that relegate women to second class citizenship and demand the deaths of apostates, infidels and gays WITHOUT being accused of a hate crime.

It is a source of supreme disgust to me that, on a website filled with people who pride themselves on being feminists and thinkers, this appalling attitude is displayed time and time again.

It is SO ignorant and SO stupid that I lose instant respect for anyone that displays it.

Islam is not a person so it has no race. That most of it's adherents have a different skin tone is IRRELEVANT. The doctrines would be exactly the same if most Muslims were white, and they would be just as abhorrant.

To turn a conversation that the world needs to having into a race issue by shrieking "Islamophobia" is disgusting, cowardly thing to do. Not to mention stunningly ignorant.

Are people like me "Muslim-bashers"? I don't know...it depends on the Muslim. There are an awful lot of them around the world, in case you hadn't noticed, all of which have their own brains, their own ideas, their own beliefs. Unlike you, I prefer to see them as individuals and base my opinions about them on how they conduct their lives. Like I do with anyone else.

Anyone who lumps all Muslims into a single homogenous group, based on nothing other than one single word - Islam - is guilty of the most obscene act of hate, in my opinion. And refusing to criticise the religion itself, because of race, is an act of racism. The racism of lower expectations...."But it's their culture for women to walk around in tents".

Justanotherlurker · 16/02/2015 21:56

Lovemycats, you brought ukip Into the discussion, I haven't seen it mentioned before.

As for women doing crap jobs, well that will surely insult all those women who are care workers/council officials/police.

Sexist stereotypes was complicit, that is inherent with the over represented religious accused.

Lovemycatsandkids · 16/02/2015 22:03

caffe calm down there.Smile

Many people would agree with a lot of your post. Some won't. It's a debate.

Justanotherlurker · 16/02/2015 22:08

Lovemycats, I apologise for my 'you bringing up ukip comment', missed a page.

SlaggyIsland · 16/02/2015 22:11

CaffeeLatte since I don't agree with you would it be fair to say you can shove your own shit opinion right up your arse?
Or would that be rude and childish in the context of a debate?

Justanotherlurker · 16/02/2015 22:18

It might be better if you give a reasoned response and counter her points slaggy because by name calling you have unwittingly proven her point.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 16/02/2015 22:20

It might be better if you give a reasoned response and counter her points slaggy because by name calling you have unwittingly proven her point.

yes I thought same thing.

SlaggyIsland · 16/02/2015 22:20

I wasn't name calling, I was exactly paraphrasing her post.

CaffeLatteIceCream · 16/02/2015 22:26

Slaggy

I do feel a bit embarrassed for you that you have no counter argument. But only a bit.

And I am not surprised Wink

ArmyDad · 16/02/2015 22:27

Zebra, think I agree with what you're saying. Also no need to be sorry for my experience, unless your real name is Blair that is

SlaggyIsland · 16/02/2015 22:30

To be honest CaffeeLatte your post was so frothy I couldn't altogether work out what your point was. The bit where you told people who disagreed with with you to shove things up their own arses was about the clearest point you made.
I did however find it a bit unnecessary.

Lovemycatsandkids · 16/02/2015 22:34

justAnother no probs at all. ??

CaffeLatteIceCream · 16/02/2015 22:36

Don't be silly, Slaggy. You are fooling no one.

And I didn't say anything about people who disagreed with me, I said something about people who held one particular point of view. Not quite the same thing.

But that's OK. It's late, maybe in the morning things won't sail so completely over your head and you can slay me with your intellectually sound riposte.

Or not.

CaffeLatteIceCream · 16/02/2015 22:38

Oh...and I think telling people to shove their shit back up their arses pales into insignificance up against being called a racist, Islamophobic bigot.

As it happens.

WiltsWonder15 · 16/02/2015 22:38

CaffeLatteIceCream Spot on.

SlaggyIsland · 16/02/2015 22:44

CaffeeLatte.
I don't have an issue with you holding a different point of view on this. I really don't. I do take issue with the very offensive way you expressed your disagreement.

BiscuitMillionaire · 16/02/2015 22:48

CaffeLatte: I wish there was a 'like' button for me to like your post. Thank god someone is actually thinking about this. Stephen Fry has said something along the same lines, I believe.