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...to ask MN-ers NOT to join in this glorification of domestic abuse? (contains spoilers)

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Floundering · 10/02/2015 09:13

Fifty Shades of Shite

Can't believe the naivety and abuse deniers on here and amongst my friends.

DV campaigners such as Womens Aid & National Centre for Domestic Violence are urging people not to see this film.

It is not "just a piece of fun" it normalises abusive, controlling relationships as sexy, and it really bothers me so many women are colluding in supporting such crap that could hurt other more vulnerable women.

The BDSM community are frothing too as if done properly between 2 consenting adults with lots of planning, mutual respect and lots of affection and downtime after it can, for some, apparently be mindblowing. ( doesn't lift my skirt but respect those who do enjoy) this is not portrayed safely in this film.

...to ask MN-ers NOT to join in this glorification of domestic abuse? (contains spoilers)
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pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 07:52

It is okay though to change your mind and consent to something you wouldn't have wanted to at the start I know I have done that

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pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 07:59

Just read chapter 12 he doesn't break in he was let in and he doesn't rape her she lunges at him first he just pins her to the bed.

indecisiveithink · 11/02/2015 08:00

There are loads of films that feature domestic abuse, abuse of children and other vile things.

They're films, they highlight issues. Or not. Some are just stories.

No one has seen this film. I'll judge when I see it

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pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 08:01

She does consent and she does consent to the anal in fact she brings it up later in the series.

Catsize · 11/02/2015 08:01

The whole concept of the book disgusted me.
Its popularity no doubt fuelled and normalised the behaviour of abusers.
I was astounded that so many women read it.
I will not be watching the film.

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charlestonchaplin · 11/02/2015 08:02

Books, films, even soaps don't just reflect society, they also influence it. It is often insidious, a gradual shifting of attitudes.

Do we believe that the desire to inflict violence that would normally be considered torture is a positive attribute, to be encouraged and freely explored. Even amongst young, sexually naive people who often take their cues from popular culture?

Do we really believe such thoughts and behaviours can be strictly confined to the sexual arena, and strictly confined to relationships where there is truly consent given freely. I believe that spending time thinking about ever more inventive, and in some cases extreme, ways of inflicting pain is generally corrupting to character and behaviour. Thoughts are powerful.

I want to live in a world characterised by love, not one where people torture others in the name of lust. That isn't what I'd call a civilised society

The 'it's just fantasy' argument: How comfortable would people be if their friend confided that they indulged in sexual fantasies about children. If their friend said they would never carry out these fantasies, they know that wouldn't be right, they never look at sexual pictures of children online, it's all in their head. Would you be thinking, that's all right then. Or would you be deeply uncomfortable that they are stoking their tendencies, giving them 'headspace' and developing them, rather than trying to quell or suppress them?

This is just how I am: I'm sure there are those with innate BDSM tendencies, but people can choose to nurture them or control them. It's not just how you are, it's how you want to be. We don't all give in to all our urges regardless. The question is whether BDSM is really a good thing/harmless to its participants and society at large, in which case there's no problem with indulging the urges or whether we as a society decide, as we do on many other issues, that it impacts negatively on society and we will control it, or some forms of it.

pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 08:03

In a relationship you understand each other and know no really means no especially in a bdsm and domination relationship...not saying this is the case for this one as 1 it's fictional and 2 they haven't been together long enough.

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pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 08:07

We don't live in a civilised society we live in one which glorifies war on a daily basis and moulds hatred and discrimination yet this is let to slide under protecting freedom. Bdsm is not wrong if people are educated properly and truly informed. Saying it is wrong to give into bdsm urges takes a step backwards towards the victoriana era when sex was repressed. There is a difference between thought and action there is nothing wrong with thoughts and feelings of any kind it is the actions which are important and damaging

Sparklingbrook · 11/02/2015 08:08

I want to live in a world where adult people can choose whatever film they want to see or book to read, and make a decision.

But hey, that's a bit boring, so I think I will hide this now.

pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 08:10

I Aagree with sparkling we should be able to choose and not have others choose for us as the aww that removes our freewill

indecisiveithink · 11/02/2015 08:15

House - have you seen the film then? Because my understanding is that there haven't even been any critic screenings.

indecisiveithink · 11/02/2015 08:16

And I've seen films with rape in

Ban all them too?

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FloraFox · 11/02/2015 08:21

There's no such thing as "pre consent". Either someone is consenting at the time of the act or they are not. If you mean you'll consent at the time even if you don't particularly want to do it, that's one thing (although even then your partner is having sex with someone who doesn't want it, just like a rapist Hmm ). If you mean your partner will have anal sex with you even if you are clearly not consenting at the time, that is rape and you are married to a rapist.

Playing at rape fuels rape myths.

There needs to be a better reason why torture and abuse is acceptable rather than that they Victorians didn't like it. They didn't like murder either - should that be allowed now, if it is consensual? What about consensual canibalism? Or incest?

pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 08:28

I never said I did anything I didn't consent to just that when we started our relationship and for many years I refused to do anal but I changed my mind of my own accord and consented at the time.

pineappleshortbread · 11/02/2015 08:30

Consensual murder is it suppose euthanasia and I think under some circumstances it should be legal with strict guidelines but that is a debate for somewhere else

FloraFox · 11/02/2015 08:33

SlicedandDiced said myself and dh pre agreed that anal was fine, even if I didn't feel like it at the time.

No-one on here has made any personal criticism of women who are in BDSM relationships and certainly no-one has said they are weak or necessarily vulnerable. I don't think anyone is calling on a ban on either this film or BDSM (beyond what is currently criminal). The OP asks MN'ers to choose not to join in with the glorification of domestic abuse that is perpetuated by the book and therefore, presumably, the film.

FloraFox · 11/02/2015 08:36

pineapple there have been cases where a murder victim has consented to murder for sexual / sadomasochistic reasons, even consenting to canibalism. If your argument in favour of BDSM is based on the idea that everything is okay so long as there is consent, it is relevant to think about whether there is a limit to that. If there is a limit, why should BDSM be on the acceptable side and murder on the unacceptable side?

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