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to move DD from her nice independent school where she has a scholarship because her brother didn't get offered one?

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middleschoolmuddle · 07/02/2015 23:23

We are not rich but nor are we poor. The school have offered us a 16% bursary for DS - it's not enough.

Would it be mean to move DD to a state school at this stage (Y9)? Has anyone done this?

I can't think straight, my mind is whirring so I'd love some perspective from those of you that have managed to use the local 'good' state schools and pass up the rather nice (best in County) independent one.

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MuttersDarkly · 10/02/2015 13:31

they should have a lot of money to invest in interhigh and they won't be constrained in direction in they way they might be with a free school.

That more or less what my sister's soothing messages have said.

The international education market is ripe for somebody to provide a product that offers a much more affordable price tag. I can see the potential for partnerships with struggling English medium schools in the EU and beyond where the education is "plugged in" via InterHigh and the infrastructure
is used so the kids still have a physical school to attend and socialise in. Would tick quite a few boxes for some people who can't afford the usual International school price tag, or the commute to one, but at the same time can't find a way around the perceived disadvantages of the local school system.

I guess the same could be said of the UK in theory. But if accessing a decent education alone isn't the goal if it doesn't come packaged with some of the other aspects people have been talking about... maybe not to the same extent as over here in Not UK World.

it's been a godsend for us, but I can see why for other people it wouldn't tick all their must have boxes.

I keep toying with the idea of opening an Italian version. Then I remember how I feel like throwing myself out of the car while moving if I just have to face the beurocracy of renewing my ID card. And come back to reality.

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 13:39

ha ha - I can only begin to imagine.

My main concern about Interhigh for ds3 would be how to encourage independence if he wasn't forced to face up to his anxiety at times. I like the way ds2 gets himself to and from school by himself, and has to deal with buses not turning up etc. He's learned a lot from that. I suppose I'm more concerned about the lifeskills side of things that comes with getting yourself to and from school than the actual education. Of course there's a balance and if ds3 is so anxious that he can't function then he's not going to learn anything anyway.

I'm curious as to why Wey was rejected. I particularly liked their stage not age model.

Yes you're right about it offering opportunities internationally. Particularly if partnerships sort out any time difference issues.

dougierose · 10/02/2015 14:01

It's taken me nearly 2 hours to read this thread, starting with a :/ and finishing off with a :0

I don't live a million miles away from you, OP. My DH comes from Suffolk. He went to the local non-selective, low achieving comp, managed to get into Cambridge and graduated with a starred first in Economics (that means he got the highest mark in the entire year group of ALL the colleges, thereby trouncing everyone from Eton and the posh schools).

He has beautiful manners (instilled into him by his mum), despite coming from a council house and having to have free school meals. And yes, he does know how to use a knife and fork, thank you, which is more than I can say for the friends of my DS in his last private school, who were basically feral as their parents left that sort of thing to the teachers.

DH earns a good salary, we live in a naice house and he has a trophy wife (well, that bit's not true). And all this was achieved by hard work - sodding hard work - so, you see, this sort of thing can be done through a state education.

However, there is one subject which has been completely excluded from this thread:

WHAT DO YOUR FRIENDS SAY AND WHERE DO THEY SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL?

Ask yourself, are you trying to keep up with the Jones (or the Carruthers-Jones-Smythes?) by insisting on a private education? Do you see their lifestyle and feel that this is something to which you are entitled? Are you worried that your current friends won't want to know you should you send your children to the local state school?

Because you live close to Cambridge, do you see yourself as trying to break into the world of academia, glittering spires, white towers and floaty dresses?

Is all this a game of one-up-manship?

OP, you started off well and have gone downhill as this thread has unravelled.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. By god, you're going to need it.

KittiesInsane · 10/02/2015 14:04

I'm starting to love this thread.

It has lutes, speedboats, e-schooling, drama, busking, house prices and a hint of 11+ debate. What's not to like?

ANewMein2015 · 10/02/2015 14:05

The bit I don't like with interhigh is hte need to be attached to a computer most of the day. At least with real school there is physical movement in classes/between classes/ etc. When we were thinking of homeschooling we looked at interhigh but it was actually too constraining. I could see the appeal if you were say on a scottish island/remote/had physical reasons to be housebound but for us part of the appeal of homeschooling was greater flexibillity to be out and about. (All currently hypothetical as she loves infant school - but looking to the longer future)

dougierose · 10/02/2015 14:07

Kitties - the fact that real kids are involved.....

Considering Eton, ffs.

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 14:07

Mein I think lessons are mainly in the morning? They seem to finish quite early so leaving time for physical activities.

ANewMein2015 · 10/02/2015 14:21

The sample timetable in their prospectus has the core lessons 9.30-1.30/2.30 with the (I guess optional) interesting subjects in the afternoon 2-3 and 4-5. To access a full curriculum of subjects its 9.30-4/5 mon - thu (sometimes withonly half hour lunch break) with friday afternoon "off" but with activities/talks arranged to do together.

www.interhigh.co.uk/downloads/interhigh_propectus_2013_14.pdf

Presumably you could choose the basic options with 9.30-1.30/2.30 but in our case we wouldn't be gaining much over school - maybe an extra hour in the day. I can see you would if you had a child concerned with bullying/couldn't access a local school through distance/etc. But even then its a LOT of time with a computer at a young age. I think it looks great for hte market that want that kind of thing, but its not that helpful in our case.

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 14:23

It is an insight into what people want from schools isn't it? Looking at schools for ds3 I've come to realise that for me the most important thing I want from secondary is education & a child able to function in the real world. Above anything else.

Your son sounds brilliant dougie. You must be very proud of him. An ex was a top first in his subject at oxford. He went to a bog standard (excuse the terminology) northern comp. I don't suppose Eton would have made much difference to him.

ANewMein2015 · 10/02/2015 14:26

I can see that it could offer education but doesn't look like it would help with functioning, instead potentially isolating. It could be a least-worst option if other options were harmful though?

(I did well at Oxford having come from a grammar school. I have conflicted feelings over my own daughter's education but threads like this make me feel fairly normal in comparison...)

dougierose · 10/02/2015 14:26

HUSBAND! He is my HUSBAND!

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 14:29

It's not staring at a computer passively though is it? My secondary aged son does a lot of socialising via Skype - seems quite common amongst boys. They play games together online while talking to each other (classmates mainly) via skype. When they meet up they spend a lot of time playing games together talking to others online.... (Spotting a theme here...).

I've not used interhigh so can't really comment on how it works but I think it's a valuable alternative, particularly for children who struggle with the somewhat artificial nature of school. Ds2 loves school, but he's always liked an institution. He's loved secondary from the moment he set foot in it. Ds3 is already worrying about it and he's only in year 5 - I'm pleased alternatives exist.

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 14:30

Oh ha ha - God I hope it's not my ex Grin

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 14:30

Oh no Suffolk, we're safe Grin

dougierose · 10/02/2015 14:35

saintly HE IS MY HUSBAND NOT MY SON!!

Forgive the shouting xxx

ANewMein2015 · 10/02/2015 14:42

Oh I don't doubt its valuable - and yes its interactive with a class group. I think it looks like they're doing what they're doing well. It just doesn't itch our particular itch.

saintlyjimjams · 10/02/2015 14:54

I know! That's why I said I hoped he wasn't my ex! (Although I knew it wasn't anyway - other place).

middleschoolmuddle · 10/02/2015 19:57

Elephants I'm going respond to your post in detail as it's one of the most scathing.

You don't want to teach because you want to see your kids (unlike everyone else of course, who hate theirs) nope, I just choose to see mine and they don't

You don't take a job because your husband is "protective" of your CV (what does that mean exactly, when doing NOTHING is apparently better than doing anything at all?) I HAVE A JOB, one that will look great on my CV but it's just a short term contract.

You think your kid will get into Eton when he can't even get a small scholarship for the local school I think they'd be lucky to have him.

You think your kids are the only ones in the whole world who understand quality, and that without rolling lawns etc they will simply DIE I think you don't miss what you don't know.

It's a shame, you know, because your kids sound bright and sweet. - they are

But what you're doing to them is making them think that private schooling has a value in and of itself. In other words, that EXPENSIVE things are better, just because they are. That free things that are available to everyone are less worthy, exactly because they are available to anyone. So if they can enjoy a state school where they have normal lunches without anyone playing the lute over them they must be worth less too, reduced to the level of those who don't "understand quality".

We have experience of 3 private schools over the last 10 years, the current one is the cheapest (by quite a bit) and by far the best fit for my kid/s, mainly because it's academically selective, they didn't rate the other 2 much at all although they loved the amazing climbing tree at the one close to us. Our first choice of school was a state school (superselective grammar), they just didn't make the cut. They value a selective environment, nothing to do with me - I'm actually pro mixed ability teaching (not that I've ever seen it done properly in this country).

As an aside, DD had a bad experience at her state middle school, a not very nice teacher appeared to have some sort of grudge against her. She was consequently unhappy and I think this may have affected her stance (luckily there was a fabulous TA who spoke up for DD and sent her the most lovely card when she left, so she has that nice memory). DS is having a better experience in middle school but still wants what DD has - he gets excited at her homeworks etc.

Mutters thanks for the encouragement on the work front. I was at an editorial meeting for a new project today and it was really exciting, I'm hopeful that there may be some more work once this bit is done.

Dougie
What do my friends say? Well one set thought we were bonkers for ever going private and didn't understand why we would even be interested in the grammar as they planned to take full advantage of their local state school. They changed their tune however when their DD got to Y5 and frantically embarked on tutoring for their not so local grammar.

My best friend thought that we were bonkers for even considering private ed at primary but then sent their DS private in Y2 when their local schools were reorganised.

Quite a few of my friends have DC at the non selective private school that we left and they are always complaining about something there. Another friend has her 2 in the fab prep school that I stalk :).

I'm seriously not a keeping up with the Jones' kind of person.

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middleschoolmuddle · 10/02/2015 20:00

Oops that's long, wrote it on my way back on the train and got carried a way.

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ChippingInGluggingOn · 10/02/2015 20:17

Any closer to a final decision?

middleschoolmuddle · 10/02/2015 20:34

Keeping the status quo for now, DS doesn't seem too traumatised. Will have to get back to the school with a thanks but no thanks.

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cheekyradish · 10/02/2015 22:21

OP - There's much to be said for perseverance and I commend you for your determination. I have vacillated much as I read through this mega thread from sympathy to Hmm to Confused and Shock.

I genuinely hope that your contract work will bear fruit in the next year. If you want something in life, you SHOULD attempt to grab it! Good Luck.

middleschoolmuddle · 10/02/2015 22:35

Oh, and fyi, apparently yacht boy's Dad co-founded BT - I have made no attempt to verify this :)

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Hakluyt · 10/02/2015 22:52

Yacht boy is an ill bred mannerless oik, and wouldn't want my children anywhere near him. There is a big difference between class and money- it is possible to have one without the other-in both directions.

dougierose · 10/02/2015 22:57

Applauds Hakluyt