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to ask why do mn's dislike the daily mail so much ?

184 replies

mrsfuzzy · 05/01/2015 22:33

i'm itching to know why many mn's slag off the daily mail, what is their choice of paper to read, and why, just curious, considering some of the others on sale.

OP posts:
LurkingHusband · 06/01/2015 11:20

Oh, and has anyone mentioned that the Daily Mail supported the Nazis in the 30s ?

Here's the then owner Harold Harmsworth, 1st Viscount Rothermere, with his new best friend.

to ask why do mn's dislike the daily mail so much ?
Tobyjugg · 06/01/2015 11:34

Or, that fearing a red take over of the UK he bought a massive estate in, of all places, Hungary, as a bolt hole to save himself from the Red Terror.

ConferencePear · 06/01/2015 11:36

Has anyone else mentioned the poor spelling and incorrect English ?

LurkingHusband · 06/01/2015 11:38

ConferencePear

Has anyone else mentioned the poor spelling and incorrect English ?

Why ? Are they particularly worse than any other news organ ? Smile

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 06/01/2015 11:46

But is the Guardian completely blemish-free when it comes to Dubious Opinions From The Past?

Here’s the Guardian in 1919, getting an interview with Lenin. The Guardian finds him “pleasant” and “refreshing”. This, of course, is the same pleasant refreshing Lenin who, alongside the humorous, delightful Stalin and the wryly charming KGB pleasantly refreshed 30 million Russians into their graves, in a decades-long campaign of torture, starvation, imprisonment, slave labour and brutal purges.

But maybe that was a one-off? After all, anyone can be taken in by a dictator with a really nifty goatee.

Well, no. Here in 2007 is Guardian writer Neil Clark hurling rose petals at agreeable, kitten-saving Slobodan Milosevic. Yes, that Slobodan Milosevic – the one who, six years before Clark’s article, was brought to The Hague, accused of savage war crimes and racialised slaughter.

According to the Guardian’s Neil Clark, however, Milosevic was just a victim of nasty western neo-liberal discrimination. I’m not joking. These are Clark’s very own words in The Guardian, after Slobo’s death in prison: “Milosevic was mourned not just in Serbia, but throughout the world: in China, Africa, Asia and South America, as a hero of the anti-imperialist, anti-globalist struggle.”

The Guardian’s refreshingly pleasant tolerance of unusual journalists does not begin and end with Clark. They are also happy to hire enemy spies who work constantly to undermine Britain, in fact, I understand they positively prefer it. For instance, in the 1930s their Chinese correspondent was Agnes Smedley, an enthusiast for all things communist, and a big, big fan of that affable Chairman Mao. Trouble is, in 2005, it was proved she was actually a secret agent working for the Soviet Union and Comintern.

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notauniquename · 06/01/2015 11:47

I hate it because it's a big pile of badly written shite that makes people feel comfortable blaming others who are "different" for their problems.

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 06/01/2015 11:48

Oh, and has anyone mentioned that the Daily Mail supported the Nazis in the 30s ?

You do realise many establishment figs including Nancy Astor and her set supported the Nazi's against communism, as a lesser of the two evils?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 06/01/2015 11:49

Yesterday the Mail printed a filler article about how Ed Sheeran was a shining example of Thatcherite values because he does a lot of gigs.Confused. They carried on to basically say, well the kids like him despite his tunes being boring and his lyrics bland and simplistic.

I know it's the racism and misogyny that should be getting me frothing, but really Daily Mail, really?

Theoretician · 06/01/2015 12:04

This must be a wind up thread. Anyone who needs to ask doesn't belong on a forum for intelligent people

Among the various things wrong with this statement is that it implies all intelligent people read the Mail (otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to comment.)

MistressMia · 06/01/2015 12:54

Ironic seeing so many posters here berating the Mail for being misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled and narrow minded.

It's often the very same demographic of posters who leap to the defence of and shrill for Islam or stay silent against a whole doctrine encompassing many of the Daily Mail's values and worse.

Utter hypocrisy.

AnnieLobeseder · 06/01/2015 13:09

"appears to exist solely for the purpose of telling bigots exactly what they want to hear regardless of the facts." Thank you BarbarianMum for summing up so beautifully exactly why I hate the DM!

OP, I'm slightly stumped as to why you asked us why we hate this one specific newspaper, and then got upset when we didn't also criticise other newspapers. Confused If you'd asked about the red tops, you'd have got any number of reasons as to why they are also vile. But while I would hope that nobody with a reading age above 10 would read the red-tops, the DM is tragically read (and believed) by otherwise intelligent and well-educated people. Like my DM. Hmm

NewYearNewBrie · 06/01/2015 13:25

I love the DM, i dont actually see anything wrong with it. i dont believe half the stuff i read on it, just some of the articles are hilarious.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 06/01/2015 13:29

Maybe read thread to see what's wrong with it them.

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops · 06/01/2015 13:36

You are asking about a right-wing newspaper on a left-wing website!

LurkingHusband · 06/01/2015 13:39

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops

You are asking about a right-wing newspaper on a left-wing website!

interesting assertion. And your facts are ?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 06/01/2015 13:42

When an acquaintance or relative comes out with some bigoted nonsense, it is my default reply, to pleasantly enquire, "So did you read that in the Daily Mail?" Head tilt is good too.

Interesting how defensive people get.

lightgreenglass · 06/01/2015 13:49

My problem with the DM is how it portrays itself as being factual and better than the red tops when it's worse than the red tops. It's a vile vile newspaper. It's such a shame that so many people read it as fact.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 06/01/2015 13:50

Mistress Mia so do you hate both the DM and Islam I assume?

NotYouNaanBread · 06/01/2015 13:52

Since moving to England (to be near us) my Dad has been spouting more and more bizarre crap, such as:

"They've banned Christmas in Liverpool now. The PC brigade are out of control in this country - now they're afraid of offending the Muslims, who probably don't care anyway!"

Further questioning will reveal that a) Liverpool has not indeed banned Christmas or any aspect of it and b) he read it on the Daily Mail site.

To give him is due, my Dad is not racist (except on bizarre, superficial points that he has dreamt up) and would never think something like "Muslims want to (insert negative generalisation here)" off his own bat, so it's safe to say when he comes up with some rubbish that he has seen it there.

Although these days he's getting a lot of mileage out of the Russia Today site. I wonder how many anti-EU Daily Mail readers are finding nirvana over there?

Anyway, I also hate the DM because of the really appalling yet transfixing photo captioning - "Pregnant Kate wore her glossy tresses down and donned a flattering granny dress floral number on her latest appearance with adorable Prince George" etc. etc. etc.

Tobyjugg · 06/01/2015 15:01

Oh yes, well aware of Nancy Astor and the Cleveden set's support of Hitler. The whole story of who wanted to try and make peace with the Nazis in 1940 and who didn't is fascinating.

Tobyjugg · 06/01/2015 15:02

Don't see MN as that left wing tbh.

TooMuchPanettone · 06/01/2015 15:26

I dislike the DM, but I dislike also the arrogant superiority complex of many on MN who assume that anyone reading it lacks the ability to think for themselves.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 06/01/2015 15:27

Well..if they think for themselves and see the stories in the Mail for what they are..why do they continue to support it? Because it's a fun read? Really?

FlowerFairy2014 · 06/01/2015 15:28

I have the FT and the Times delivered to the house. I'm not particularly anti- DM but it is certainly lower class and for not very well educated people. In business terms the DM has done very well indeed.

LurkingHusband · 06/01/2015 15:40

Tobyjugg

It's sobering to think the US made a profit out of WW2. George W Bush should give lectures about that ... "what my grandaddy did during the war"

www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html