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to post a link to an Oldham sponsor that will continue to support them even with Ched Evans?

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mrleebob · 05/01/2015 15:59

If it would be, please ignore this.

If not, here it is. www.cmsolicitors.co.uk

Plenty of contact details too. :-)

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UsuallyLurking1 · 07/01/2015 17:31

Potential employers not lawyers!

BOFster · 07/01/2015 17:32

It's a done deal, according to the news Sad.

Ohfourfoxache · 07/01/2015 17:32

No, I get that Usually

But surely the more people "bang on" about something, the more it is in the collective conscious, the more likely it is that the FA/PFA will either take notice or be approached directly (as it is being with the more recent petition) and he more likely it is that there will be a change in the law.

If everyone stops "banging on" then the impetus is lost, no?

And surely boycotting companies who support OAFC/CE, whilst not facilitating a change in the law, will increase pressure to some extent?

YonicSleighdriver · 07/01/2015 17:34

Would I, personally, employ Ched Evans as a painter and decorator, for which he is qualified, by the way, pfvino?

No. I'd go with one of the other quotes.

Would I object to him pursuing that line of work?

No.

Pfvino, how many convicted rapists does your company employ?

YonicSleighdriver · 07/01/2015 17:34

Her father said so, usually.

PortofinoVino · 07/01/2015 17:36

I don't know Yonic - how would I?

YonicSleighdriver · 07/01/2015 17:37

www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/28/ched-evans-rape-victim-change-name-move-house-father

First paragraph of the above. It does seem further down that she has had to move house five times rather than nc five times.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 07/01/2015 17:38

If you want to defend the actions of a convicted rapist, portofinovino, that is your call, but expect your opinions to be countered.

And at least have your facts right - people have been arrested, charged and fined for revealing the victim's name on Twitter and illegally breaching her right to anonymity. It was pretty high profile in the news at the time.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 17:38

"Why don't you and your feminazi cunt friends just fuck off"

"shove your petition up your filthy muff"

"You lost, you cunt, so shut up now"

Would you like to see any more of the tweets, full of nasty names and vilification I've received in the last few days?

Women. Running some kind of mob? No.

UsuallyLurking1 · 07/01/2015 17:39

No he didn't

He said "she has had to change her name" and "she has moved house five times" not linked statements.

It's pedantry, since having to move is probably more hassle than a name change and much worst for the victim. But saying she's changed identity five times and has still been tracked down implies that the change of identity has been leaked by government agencies (how else would team Evans find them)

YonicSleighdriver · 07/01/2015 17:39

You may be in a position to know if you are involved in recruitment: as convictions of four or more years are never spent and so come up on a basic check, meaning most employers find out about them and choose not to make offers of employment.

PortofinoVino · 07/01/2015 17:39

If you want to defend the actions of a convicted rapist, portofinovino

Please quote me Sabrina - I wasn't aware I HAD 'defended' him. I just said he was entitled to a job.

BeyondDoesBootcamp · 07/01/2015 17:39

Meh, i'd be quite unbothered by all convicted rapists spending the rest of their lives on the dole. Plenty of non-rapists who cant find work right now, who i'm a hell of a lot more worried about.

Willferrellisactuallykindahot · 07/01/2015 17:40

www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/28/ched-evans-rape-victim-change-name-move-house-father

usually - just for you sweetie

BOFster · 07/01/2015 17:40

The victim has had to change her name and move address five times, not to mention being separated from her family at Christmas. That has been widely documented. Not much of a picnic, is it? Not like waltzing back into a plum job on high wages with half the football establishment slapping you on the back. I can't see Evans as a victim of anything but his own criminal actions.

YonicSleighdriver · 07/01/2015 17:40

The first paragraph of the above, which puts the two statements together:
The woman raped by footballer Ched Evans has had to change her name and move house five times, her father has said.

UsuallyLurking1 · 07/01/2015 17:41

*worse before we have the grammar police back in

Icimoi · 07/01/2015 17:41

I am increasingly bemused by the suggestions of Usually, Malice and others that if something is plainly ethically wrong the only recourse of the public is to campaign to change the law for the future rather than to set right or prevent the immediate wrong in question.

To take what may seem a fairly trivial example: the issue comes up quite often round here of people smoking in the street right outside people's houses so that the smoke drifts in through their windows. As the law stands, that's perfectly lawful, but it's inconsiderate if the smoker could perfectly well move a few steps away so that the smoke disperses harmlessly.

In that situation, I assume that what most people would do would be to ask that the individual move away. If the smoker refused and persisted in his/her conduct, I expect they might repeat their request more vociferously, and they might seek to involve other neighbours if they were also affected; they might even phone the police or the council to see if they would have a word. But on Usually and Malice's terms, that would be imposing unfair pressure on the individual in question, and instead the person affected should start lobbying his MP to get the laws on smoking changed.

Is there seriously no room in human conduct for seeking to resolve issues like this without waiting months or years for a change in the law?

Jux · 07/01/2015 17:42

portofinovino, he could work in a call centre. Or in Costa. Or in M&S HQ. Or many many many other roles. None of which would entail his being a danger to women, or bad influence on youth. I suspect the problem with those choices are that none of them would bring him the status he wants.

UsuallyLurking1 · 07/01/2015 17:43

Semantics, the rest of the article and others like it make it clear it's five addresses and one name

YonicSleighdriver · 07/01/2015 17:44

Usually, I agree that the guardian's first para could have been clearer.

Pfvino, which other convicted rapists do you think are entitled to a job?

ilovesooty · 07/01/2015 17:45

I'm sure M&S would have been delighted to offer him a job. After all they're one of his future father in law 's trading partners.

PortofinoVino · 07/01/2015 17:46

portofinovino, he could work in a call centre. Or in Costa. Or in M&S HQ. Or many many many other roles. None of which would entail his being a danger to women, or bad influence on youth.

Until the mob found out where he was working and put pressure on his employers to sack him, like they are doing now!

The mob hounding him are no better than the mob hounding her. Both as bad as each other.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 07/01/2015 17:48

I prefer not to see convicted rapists in privileged positions in the public eye. To defend CE's "entitlement" to a place on a so-called family friendly football team, is defending him in my view.

He has not served his time, he is not rehabilitated.

PortofinoVino · 07/01/2015 17:48

Pfvino, which other convicted rapists do you think are entitled to a job? said Yonic

You mean to tell me that you think that every rapist there has ever been is languishing on the dole at taxpayers expense? That's an awful lot of people!!