To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

Twenty6 - the complainant in this was not a witness, though? Am I missing something?

Yonicetc - I take your point and I perhaps overstated, but I wouldn't want anyone to think this case is just about the attitudes of footballers, or that they have been convicted just because they are cocky, over-entitled, rich, young footballers. I suspect that if the co-defendant in this case had been a non-footballer, the outcome would have been the same.

twenty do you believe that 'a minute or two' is enough time to decide if a woman who you have never met before and is incredibly drunk (in fact so drunk that CM described her to the night porter as 'ill' at around the same time CE began to have sex with her), is capable to give consent to have sex with you?

Do you or do you not believe that his actions that night were that of a sexual predator?

Ched Evans believes he is innocent because he does not understand what the concept of 'consent' entails. Having said that, the fact that he and CM claimed the victim was an enhusiastic participant, and yet seconds later CM told the night porter to 'keep an eye on the girl in that room because she is ill', suggests that someone somewhere was delberately bending the truth as well.

Who has used the victims initials? I assumed the other initials was the other man who was also accused but acquitted. If people are using the victims initials please report the posts ASAP.

Twenty did in this post, which was immediately reported by many and deleted.

Twenty6 Mon 05-Jan-15 12:59:14

yup, I know you did House, reported yours too but I knew it was an accident by you!

Oldham Athletic is not at this stage making any official announcement with regard to the speculation concerning Ched Evans.
Whilst acknowledging the considerable media attention, we continue to have conversations with representative bodies such as the PFA and will conduct due diligence with regard to any decision we make on this matter.

Although it has been reported that a press conference would be held we will officially advise if and when any such event will take place.

The club would also request that its stakeholders and partners position and privacy be respected until this matter has been concluded.

We will not be making any further comment for the time being

Read more at www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-ched-evans-2184275.aspx#htDEXQAbsc69RLVU.99

mmm, ok...

Ched Evans stated in court that "he could have had any woman in the club that night, because he was a professional footballer" - that is a very dangerous view for a man to hold. When it comes to sexual consent, it is not for Ched Evans, or anyone else to 'decide' that they can have any woman they like - it is for the woman to consent, and be in a fit state to consent.

Yonic, the way Twenty6 both knew and used the victim's initials means s/he is likely a bit more invested in the Chedgenda that s/he might like to admit. (I didn't know the victim's initials.)

Bart Simpson is as close as my DC have come to having any role model whom they don't personally know. Maybe I just have weird children. Maybe they just pick up on the fact that dad and I don't give a toss about so called celebrities and think most of them are just huge asses.

Professional footballers are role models to many, many young people- foolish to argue otherwise. Every single person on the planet doesn't have to see them as role models for them to be so. They are revered by a large section of society - they achieve fame, there are posters of them, their names are chanted, they are extremely well paid, their WAGs gain notoriety and so on.

As someone who is not a football fan, I find it infuriating, because so many of them behave so badly

Well yes, yonic - the conclusion might be not much.

(Referring to yonic's 16.35 post)

all footballers in certain teams are in the match attack books though, along with many other 'default' things like team posters etc

thanks merry!

Houseetc, I take your point. I was making the narrower point about whether it is possible to take a reasoned view that he should not have been convicted. I maintain that it is. You are right in that the views that people express about it provide some very good examples and discussion points about victim blaming and the examples you cite are all valid, but they are all external to the case.

I was taking a more technical view of CE's guilt. The case itself (i.e. whether he is guilty or not) is a poor example on that front, as she did not give evidence on consent.

I accept that she did give evidence about what she could remember, but that the key question, as in all rape cases, was not the subject of her testimony. I admit that this is a fairly technical analysis of the case, but that's only point I was making in my first post, i.e. that it is possible to believe that he should not have been convicted and that holding this view is not of itself victim blaming or disbelieving the victim. That is unusual.

Personally, I believe that he was properly convicted and should not have a job in professional football in this country until either his conviction is quashed by the CCRC

Just on a point of information, the CCRC can't quash convictions. All they can do is help put a case together which then has to be presented to the court as an application for permission to appeal. So people who keep saying that Evans has an appeal going through are very far from the truth; there is no certainty that the CCRC will think that there is any case at all, or that, even if they do, the court will give permission to proceed.

If footballers are not role models then why do companies spend millions of pounds on getting them to endorse their products?!

By the way, I am aware that CE probably doesn't get lots of money from sponsorship, I am just responding to the general 'footballers are role models? really?' comments on here.

It's my understanding that football is generally played in front of an audience, most football clubs are aiming for promotion and the bigger the audience the greater the financial rewards.

That is why footballers earn more than netball players.

Of course footballers are role models.

From OA's statement today:

"The club would also request that its stakeholders and partners position and privacy be respected until this matter has been concluded."

Oh the irony, when they are considering signing someone whose supporters have received convictions for invading the privacy of a young woman such that she has had to change identity more than once.

"just because they are cocky, over-entitled, rich, young footballers."

Egg man, if a 6ft tall brickie had said in court that they could've had any woman in a club because they were tall, yes, I'd be very worried about their concept of consent.

You are dead right, Icimoi. Sloppy language by me.

Also worth stating that CE has already made two appeal applications to the Court of Appeal (single judge and bench of three) and each was dismissed.

The reason for the fast-tracking of the CCRC review is a closely-guarded secret that all would love to know. Some are indeed using this to suggest that there has been a miscarriage of justice, but no one seems to know what the grounds are.