To ask you all to sign petition regarding Oldham and Ched Evans

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Actually I don't believe I am being unreasonable. But wanted to bring it to attention.

MN seems to be a quiet on this today but I think the fight should still go on. I can't link to it as I am so not tech savvy enough but it is on change.org. (Same person whk set up the Sheffield Weds one so of you sogned that one it is pretty easy to locate).Already has over 9000 signatures so please please please continue to sign and share!

I've just read that Oldham are pulling out of the deal.

Hoping this is true. Well done - Jean Hatchet, the petitioners and the sponsors who threatened to pull out. Good move by Oldham. I don't want this man to play professional football, I don't want to hear crowds singing "Super Ched" from the stands when he is a convicted rapist out on licence.

Ched can take up a different job.

It's going to be on ITV news now...

As I've said previously, this is turning into as much of a witch hunt against people who raise questions about the case as the witch hunt that many mumsnetters have said exists against the victim. I shall not be signing the petition as after much thought, reading of the court notes, watching the video of the accused and after reading many commentaries about the case, I am unconvinced that it is as clear cut as many would like to believe.

"s I've said previously, this is turning into as much of a witch hunt against people who raise questions about the case as the witch hunt that many mumsnetters have said exists against the victim."

Completely disagree, but you are entitled to your views.

It is illegal to name the complainant in a rape case whatever the outcome of the court case. At least nine people were found guilty of this, do you also disagree with their convictions?

I think another was referring to the hounding of people who express doubt about the soundness of the conviction, or disagree that clubs should not sign him?

the witch hunt that many mumsnetters have said exists against the victim.

after much thought, reading of the court notes, watching the video of the accused and after reading many commentaries about the case, I am unconvinced that it is as clear cut as many would like to believe.

I am surprised that having read about this case as extensively as you, you are not aware yourself of the 'witch hunt' against the victim.

Also you say you have watched the 'video' of the victim? Are you aware that there is further CCTV of her from earlier In the night which ,surprise surprise, is not features on the Ched Evans site because it doesn't suit their agenda?

I shall not be signing the petition as after much thought, reading of the court notes, watching the video of the accused and after reading many commentaries about the case, I am unconvinced that it is as clear cut as many would like to believe.

Right, anothermakesthree: were you in court? Have you seen all the witness statements and documents that the jury saw? Have you researched the legal principles involved and heard all the arguments put forward by counsel on both sides? Have you seen the applications for leave to appeal and all documents filed in that connection, and have you read the judgment on those applications?

If the answer to all those questions is "Yes" your opinion has some weight. If not, do explain why you know better than the jury and judges who have already considered this case at length.

What witch hunt is there against those who question the conviction, another? All I have seen is valid inquiries about their reasons for that, coupled with people pointing out the weight of the evidence Evans gave against himself.

Perhaps you could answer a question someone else has put: do you really think that, in the minute or two which elapsed between Evans meeting the victim for the first time and sticking his penis into her he had a full opportunity to make a considered decision as to whether she consented to this and whether she had the required capacity to consent?

Housewherenobodylives.

Firstly your presumptions are made on the basis that the conviction is a secure one. My point is that people are allowed to hold the view that the conviction might not be as secure as others think. Or perhaps we are not allowed, on this site, to suggest this without being accused of being deluded or as you said only 'raising questions' about cases of sexual violence. You have no idea which cases I have questioned, read court reports for or studied, therefore I can only surmise you were trying to be insulting. This sort of proves my point.

Secondly, I never said that anybody was making up the harassment of the victom, my point was that, if you look over this thread, as soon as anybody raises a question about the conviction they are shouted down with a lot of derision & sneering. The language used above by housewhetenobodyloves is an example of this; 'I also love....', 'isn't it funny'.

This is not the place to raise questions about this case, in order to have a clearer understanding of the thought processes of the jury. However, if I came on here and said I had signed the petition without knowing much about the case, burnt my Oldham season ticket, canvassed the sponsors & then had to go so I could campaign outside the Oldham ground, I'm sure I would be cheered.

It's not a witch hunt. If you can't give a logical or intelligent reason to back up the theory that CE is innocent you are likely to be told that you are wrong, and if you repeat that belief you are likely to be told that you are wrong again.

if I came on here and said I had signed the petition without knowing much about the case

What, as opposed to casting aspersions about the verdict without knowing much about the case?

Willferrell

No-one said GL was a rapist. What I said is that there is doubt that his or any other player's alleged influence as a role model is as far-reaching as some here and elsewhere would like to think.

I could have given other examples of far more famous footballers than CE but thought it unnecessary for the purpose of illustrating my point. These include Tony Adams, Paul Gascoigne, Paul Merson, Jan Molby and Joey Barton.

Although not as well known for football skills as the above, while we're talking of Oldham Athletic I'll draw your attention to Lee Hughes too.

The suggestion that young people will emulate their footballing heroes' off-pitch actions is imo somewhat exaggerated.

He is a convicted rapist.

That is a fact.

I agree that some do not agree that he should be. However, it is a fact.

If I want to sign a petition about whether someone convicted of a serious crime should get a high profile role, then I have all the facts I need to make that decision.

Just out of interest Sabrina what jobs would you be happy for ched Evans to take?

Any that are not barred for sex offenders, or that put him the public eye, or make him a hero or role model for young people, spence82.

Certainly not one that will have "Super Ched" chanted from the terraces any time he scores a goal.

No, I didn't compare adultery to rape, House. That is entirely in your imagination and/or your understanding of what I typed rather than fact. It would only be "seriously fucked up" if it was what I said. It wasn't. As it is, you're being rather confrontational.

LH expressed remorse as a convicted criminal who admitted his crime. CE continues to protest his innocence. It would be unnatural for someone to apologise for a crime he asserts he didn't commit.

Job choice is reduced for normal people by those convicted of such a serious crime as rape. we have an ex friend who did something awful (not rape but similar crime) It was a shock as no one knew about it. You never have thought it of him. He isnt allowed on fb, to return to his job and went nc with everyone after leaving jail with everyone he knows.