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Surely we shouldn't be expected to pay everyone's bill at Xmas meal?

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MeetMyCat · 22/12/2014 17:32

On Boxing Day, DH and I are going out for a meal with DSS, my Dad, Dad's partner, and my brother. So six of us in total. When this was arranged earlier in the year, I (obviously) invited everyone, checked they were all happy with the venue, timings etc etc. I didn't mention who would pick up the tab, it never entered my head to be honest, and I certainly didn't give anyone the impression it was "our treat."

The background to this, is that no one on the guest list (with the exception of DSS (student) and obviously we'll pay for him) is particularly hard up, but there is history of reluctance to share the bill at social events. My brother is 41, single with no kids, works as an architect, but will never buy anyone a drink. My dad is retired, but very comfortable, enjoys lots of holidays, but tends to assume DH will pay for everything if there's a family gathering. Dad's partner (they don't live together, but have been together for over 10 years) was recently made redundant, so I'm not sure about her current financial situation. But however tight they are, they're my family, so I like to see them at Christmas.

Last night, DH commented "what on earth do we do if no one offers to contribute towards the bill on Boxing Day - do I say anything?" Now whilst we can afford to pay for ourselves and DSS, the thought of picking up the whole tab is rather scary - set menu at £65 per head, plus drinks, for six people. Ok, so we'd still be able to eat (but it would be beans on toast!) and pay the bills in January, but it's a lot of money, not to mention the principle.

As I said earlier, we asked everyone if they wanted to go out for a meal, they all said yes, and we never suggested we'd pay for everyone. But as we made the arrangements, does etiquette dictate we should pay? And as dad's partner has now lost her job, is her share of the bill our responsibility as 'organisers'?

Looking back, I can't remember a single time when anyone wanted to split a bill/buy a drink etc for DH and I, and I wish I'd remembered this when I made the Boxing Day booking.

So do I say something upfront, or do I assume (and hope and pray) that normal social etiquette will prevail, and wait for everyone to contribute when the bill arrives? Surely we shouldn't be expected to foot the whole bill?

OP posts:
MyFirstName · 22/12/2014 22:57

OP, hope all goes well with the responses. For all those who are clamouring for her to get a backbone/ cannot believe this is happening - I can different family dynamics can be very skewed and ultimately very unfair to those who do end up footing the bill. My DH is often the one left punching his pin number in.

I think what you have sent is as perfect as you can get in a muddy situation like this. Well done for sending it. There are clearly issues/back story re money/paying and I think you have done really well to deal with this.

MyFirstName · 22/12/2014 22:57

And I hope you have a lovely meal with lovely, relaxed, prepare to pay company Wine

AskBasil4StuffingRecipe · 22/12/2014 22:58

God I will now be on tenterhooks till the day after boxing day to know what everyone ordered and what they paid. Grin

GokTwo · 22/12/2014 23:13

Well done OP. I have a similar situation in my family. Oddly enough it has just started to spontaneously resolve itself! My wealthy, stingey family member seems to have come to his senses at last and is finally paying his way!! I'm glad you emailed. I disagree that a phone call is better. I think that with a text or email the recipient has time to absorb your message and decide how to respond.

ilovesooty · 22/12/2014 23:16

Well done on the email. It sounds as though it was very difficult so I hope it gets the result you hope for and you have a pleasant stress free meal.

Tryingtobecalm · 22/12/2014 23:19

Ell done on the email. Good luck with the responses and hope you have a great lunch.

UterusUterusGhali · 22/12/2014 23:25

Good stuff op!

Let us know when they reply. This is stressful! Xmas Wink

mackereloffact · 22/12/2014 23:36

You definitely need to stop picking up the tab if people aren't forthcoming with payment, as it sets a precedent and looks like you're happy to foot the bill, when you're not.

I think the email you've sent is completely reasonable. You've already paid the deposit, which is really kind of you. If anyone doesn't want to pay the £55 for the set menu, at least they have the option of just ordering one course off the a la carte menu to keep it affordable.

Inertia · 22/12/2014 23:43

Good email OP - I wonder whether they will now respond in advance of the mail, or keep you hanging on feeling uncomfortable? Hope they come to their senses to reduce awkwardness.

Clueing4looks · 22/12/2014 23:56

Hope it all works out for you. I have a (better off) sister that conveniently forgets her purse/has a babysitter emergency etc when it's time to pay, or goes to the toilet when its her round so know how you feel re freeloading

YonicSleighdriver · 23/12/2014 00:01

Ha, just re watched Sign of Three, Clueing!

Well done, OP.

PlantsAndFlowers · 23/12/2014 01:59

I suppose if you invite people they could think you are 'hosting', hope your e mail works OP!

Tattiebogle · 23/12/2014 02:37

Saucymare, you really sent this? "Just so everyone understands this invite was not an offer to pay for you "

It sounds really rude, the way you have said it

As i had never before realised anyone thought an invite to eat out meant the inviter would pay.

People can and do understand the difference between an invite as someones guest, and a invite from someone organising a meal out.

AskMeAnother · 23/12/2014 02:50

Most people might, Tatty, but the OP's guests don't seem to ...

CheerfulYank · 23/12/2014 02:55

Good job OP!

Let us know the replies :)

ProcessYellowC · 23/12/2014 02:57

Fingers crossed OP.

I'd like to think I know the difference in being invited as a guest/being invited on a night out, but tbh where family is involved, it is easy for the line to blur - but I'd normally try at least a cursory fight with family members to let me chip in if it's clear they are intent on paying....

PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange · 23/12/2014 03:07

If I was invited out for a meal, I would assume it was a treat.

if it was a suggestion then I would assume the bill was going to be split.

Italiangreyhound · 23/12/2014 03:12

Good luck OP! Try and enjoy it. £65 is not a lot for such a major public holiday.

sykadelic · 23/12/2014 04:15

I would never "assume" a meal was free if I was invited out, it's very rude and entitled. You take money assuming it's NOT free, and then if it is, great!

If it was somewhere new I might say something like "do you know if there's a menu online?" which hints at looking at costs. That gives them the opening for "don't worry about it, my treat" which happened just last week with a trip to a chinese restaurant.

peasandlove · 23/12/2014 05:21

Do not offer to put it on your card either as they might do the old " I'll give it to you later" line

peasandlove · 23/12/2014 05:22

Do not offer to put on your card. Too easy for them to forget to pay

peasandlove · 23/12/2014 05:25

Oops Blush

daisychain01 · 23/12/2014 05:50

Would people really go out without taking their wallet, even if they did think they were being treated??

I know Her Majesty doesn't carry money with her, but that's ridiculous.

At least your DBro knows the deal, cat Grin

TeenageMutantNinjaTurtle · 23/12/2014 06:04

any response yet OP?

CaroleLJ · 23/12/2014 06:06

I would be confused.

If I was invited to dinner, and there was no mention of cost then I might think the inviter was treating me. There's a world of difference to "Would you like to go to X for dinner on X December?" and "How about we get together over Christmas? The Red Lion is doing a great deal for £65 a head." History, relationships, etc would all come into it and I'd probably clarify before going.

I'd be a bit upset if I'd been led to believe it was being paid for, perhaps as an alternative to going to the inviter's house for a meal, and then asked to pay out £80 - £90 at an expensive time of year.

I'll be interested to see if anyone drops out now OP has clarified situation.

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