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Surely we shouldn't be expected to pay everyone's bill at Xmas meal?

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MeetMyCat · 22/12/2014 17:32

On Boxing Day, DH and I are going out for a meal with DSS, my Dad, Dad's partner, and my brother. So six of us in total. When this was arranged earlier in the year, I (obviously) invited everyone, checked they were all happy with the venue, timings etc etc. I didn't mention who would pick up the tab, it never entered my head to be honest, and I certainly didn't give anyone the impression it was "our treat."

The background to this, is that no one on the guest list (with the exception of DSS (student) and obviously we'll pay for him) is particularly hard up, but there is history of reluctance to share the bill at social events. My brother is 41, single with no kids, works as an architect, but will never buy anyone a drink. My dad is retired, but very comfortable, enjoys lots of holidays, but tends to assume DH will pay for everything if there's a family gathering. Dad's partner (they don't live together, but have been together for over 10 years) was recently made redundant, so I'm not sure about her current financial situation. But however tight they are, they're my family, so I like to see them at Christmas.

Last night, DH commented "what on earth do we do if no one offers to contribute towards the bill on Boxing Day - do I say anything?" Now whilst we can afford to pay for ourselves and DSS, the thought of picking up the whole tab is rather scary - set menu at £65 per head, plus drinks, for six people. Ok, so we'd still be able to eat (but it would be beans on toast!) and pay the bills in January, but it's a lot of money, not to mention the principle.

As I said earlier, we asked everyone if they wanted to go out for a meal, they all said yes, and we never suggested we'd pay for everyone. But as we made the arrangements, does etiquette dictate we should pay? And as dad's partner has now lost her job, is her share of the bill our responsibility as 'organisers'?

Looking back, I can't remember a single time when anyone wanted to split a bill/buy a drink etc for DH and I, and I wish I'd remembered this when I made the Boxing Day booking.

So do I say something upfront, or do I assume (and hope and pray) that normal social etiquette will prevail, and wait for everyone to contribute when the bill arrives? Surely we shouldn't be expected to foot the whole bill?

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whatever5 · 22/12/2014 21:30

I think that atticusclaw's suggestion is good.

WilsonWilsonWoman · 22/12/2014 21:30

Yes to atticusclaw no room for misunderstandings with that.

MrsKoala · 22/12/2014 21:30

i think an email/text is best in this situation. it can be written clearly and give them time to get used to the idea and filter it before accepting. also it can be done in a bulk send, rather than someone being the 'first' or feeling they've been singled out.

if you call your tone may be too 'assertive' or 'weak' and could go either way - you make everyone feel insulted or they walk all over you.

Send an email using the menu as the reason, it's a good 'reason' to flag up cost for THEM. keep saying YOU can keep YOUR cost down. Jus saying 'keeping costs down' is also too ambiguous.

RattieBagTheOldHag · 22/12/2014 21:30

Yes to atticusclaw s suggestion. Smile

It's polite and clear. Perfect. Send it and then it's done with.

erin99 · 22/12/2014 21:30

I would swap the last sentence to "We can sort out how to split the drinks on the day. Looking forward to seeing you all etc etc"

MeetMyCat · 22/12/2014 21:31

I have always found it very hard to talk about money, it would be less embarrassing to talk about sex ......

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Jill2015 · 22/12/2014 21:31

Yes, I think that email wording by atticusclaw makes it very clear.

GnomeDePlume · 22/12/2014 21:32

At this time of evening a text is fine.

Dont be ambiguous or precious or twee:

To confirm arrangements for Boxing Day, we are booked at X restaurant. The table is booked from Ypm. The meal will be £65/head. The restaurant wont split the bill so please can you bring cash or cheques and we will settle the bill with the restaurant and you can settle up with us.

Looking forward to seeing you on the 26th.

poisonedbypen · 22/12/2014 21:32

I think people might think you are paying as you suggested it & didn't ask if £65 was ok. It's an awful lot & they might be embarrassed. You must check beforehand & expect some to drop out.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 22/12/2014 21:33

Well you could offer sex and charge them? £65 each?

Just kidding... Grin

noseymcposey · 22/12/2014 21:33

Clarification email is fine and you're right it gives them a chance to think about their response.

A phonecall would be better, but I don't think you will do that so if you are happy emailing then that is better than nothing!

It does need to be more strongly worded though.. simply putting 'your costs' instead of 'costs' should do it.

FWIW, if it was me and my family I would be completely honest. Can you call them and say that as you've picked up the bill in the past it's just occurred to you that they may be thinking that is the plan this time but it isn't. It then gives an opportunity to change plans. £75 for lunch is a lot if you aren't expecting it!

Bulbasaur · 22/12/2014 21:33

Email is fine. Just make sure it's clear and not vague.

Your husband shouldn't be the one dealing with your family at the end, you should be.

Honestly, if it was my family, I'd just be blunt about it. I don't understand why the need to gently word things.

But...

"Hey,

Looking forward to seeing you, just to let you know the ala carte is less expensive if you want to save yourself some money. The restaurant looks great, can't wait to see you!

Love you! xoxox"

In any case, if they "misunderstood" the email you sent about keeping cost down, they're being chancers. No one is that thick. If you think they are truly that dense, be blunt.

"Hey,

Can't wait to see you! We're only paying for ourselves since you never pay for us tightwads. Hope that's not a problem, and you can still make it! Food looks great!

Love you guys! xoxoxo"

erin99 · 22/12/2014 21:34

If it helps, OP, chuck in a couple of juicy tidbits about your love life, just to make you feel more comfortable :)

MsVestibule · 22/12/2014 21:34

Another vote for atticusclaw's email. No ambiguity there.

And you MUST update us with their responses!!!

MeetMyCat · 22/12/2014 21:34

Ok ........ Email following atticusclaw's suggestion going out within the next 5 mins.

Thank you everyone

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ResponsibleAdult · 22/12/2014 21:35

Yes, itsallgoing's suggestion is perfect, completely unambiguous.

It indicates you expect them all to pay their way, but allows a get out clause if they are skint too tight to pay. Plus the option of not going at all.

A attend and pay
B attend but go a la carte
C don't attend

No offence to anyone (except you with your lost deposit £10 pp)

HappenstanceMarmite · 22/12/2014 21:36

*Today 21:27 MeetMyCat

Yes to atticusclaw's suggestion?*

Yes. With an additional suggestion of a drinks kitty. Good luck!

noseymcposey · 22/12/2014 21:37

good luck meetmycat!

handcream · 22/12/2014 21:37

Op, I really don't know why you are pussyfooting around, all this hinting about expecting them to share the cost...it's not clear and they have form in letting you pay.

So, if you just leave it - just imagine how embarrassing it will be for all of you. Or worse they over order thinking someone else is paying (again!)

rollonthesummer · 22/12/2014 21:38

Totally agree re the 50%- they might think you're subbing them half. Just be crystal clear, in advance.

Hi- just checking everyone is still ok for the Boxing Day meal. It's £65 a head-I've already paid the £10 per head deposit-that's our Christmas treat to you :)

It'll still be £55 a head for everyone, though if that's a bit pricey-here's the other menu so you can opt for something cheaper. Obviously, drinks and a tip will be extra. I think it might be easier if we all bring cash rather than trying to pay with cards-DSS excepted, obviously we will be paying for his meal, sorry we can't stretch to paying for everyone!!

Please let me know if there's a problem with the prices or if you feel you can't attend and I'll let the restaurant know.

wickedlazy · 22/12/2014 21:38

£65 per head?!

timetoplay · 22/12/2014 21:38

Definitely good on the email OP, if they are quibblers they may well have insisted you didn't make it clear but atticusclaw is very clear and can't be misinterpreted.

Good luck. If they kick up a stink, be glad that's voided for Christmas day.

RattieBagTheOldHag · 22/12/2014 21:38

It's always awkward talking about money but I have found it gets easier with practice. I hate the feeling of being ripped off or being a mug more than I dislike having 'awkward' conversations.

For example. I now don't hesitate to remind a friend if they owe me money. I'm polite and friendly about it but if I think someone has forgotten to pay me back rather than agonise over it I just remind them. No one ever minds and if they did I don't suppose I'd care

wickedlazy · 22/12/2014 21:39

Blush You can tell how often I eat anywhere really fancy