Hartlepool and the Rapist Ched Evans :(

[WeirdCatLady]

Oh dear. Please no.

Apologies for a DM link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2881937/Hartlepool-reveal-want-sign-convicted-rapist-Ched-Evans-despite-national-outcry-return-football.html

I am wondering if those who think that because there is no legal barrier to him returning to high profile employment such as football he should do so, would also be happy to see Gary Glitter touring licenced venues (ie over 18s only)?

Or would you want your local to pull out? Because you don't want a sex offender performing in your community, even when the revenue might save a venue in financial difficulties.

Because although it might be legal, that's not actually the point. Some roles just don't fit with sex offenders.

I second Clam's and others' comments in that sexual offences ARE different to other offences. They are deliberate crimes against an individual, and we all know that being raped can have catastrophic life-long implications for the victim.

I personally believe that he should be treated like any other sex offender. His prospective employers should carefully consider if he is suitable for the post. If you are intending to be in a position of power and influence, then the fact that you are a convicted rapist is clearly not going to help you get that post.

"Hounded"?

The one who was hounded was his poor victim, who has had to change her name twice so far due to the actions of his supporters (including close family)

NoMama He should not be harassed and he is not being harassed.

There is no law that forbids clubs from refusing to sign this apology for a man. Nor should there be.

Yy Andrew. Plenty of jobs that are nothing to do with children require a DBS check.

I have no desire to, or intention of hounding Ched Evans, the convicted rapist. Nor do I want to prevent him working again.

I do want to prevent him working in a position where he is a role model.

I'm sure the rapist Ched Evans will be able to secure employment. His idiot FiL seems happy enough to employ him, so he could get a job if he wanted one.

The same FiL who runs and pays for the website which is specifically set up to hound and harass and victim blame Ched's victim. The same FiL who encourages people to release his victim's name, so she has to change it and move, in order to stop the death and rape threats.

So yes, I agree, stop the witch hunt. When Ched stands up and tells the world how he's going to stop that witch hunt, then maybe he might have a level of moral ground to start building from. Until then, he just looks like yet another unrepentant rapist, who encourages his equally nasty pals to harass their victim.

Ok so here's another one for ye... Are footballers really rolemodels because being honest I am really not that sure they are. I see them as people who do a particular job, and lots of kids want to be one because they see their wealth as something to aim for. But very rarely have I heard any parent saying wow I wish you would turn out like (name of footballer). BTW I think some are really great people, but some really aren't and we use our heads and ability to decern to hopefully know the difference between the two... Being famous, playing football or on TV doesn't make you a role model in my opinion.

Certain professions require DBS certs due to the nature of the work, as it can involve children or vulnerable people. Football is not one of them.

BTW my sister bless her was raped at the age of 11. She learnt her rapists motorcycle reg number while it occurred and he was caught within 48 hours, sentenced to 4 years and freed in 2 1/2. Pretty short sentence really. But that's justice and while we as a family may not have liked it we lived with it. Do I hate rape as a crime? Like any normal person of course I do. BUT I think there are differences between pedophilia and rape which people seem to think are the same here (Gary Glitter ref)- there are different forms of sexual offences and different degrees of severity. There are distinctions and these distinctions are recognised by law. It doesn''t make them less wrong, it makes them different and deserving of different punishments.

I don't think a rapist should be released from prision until they admit what they have done.

To me Ched Evans is still a risk to the public.

If he did a public apology and then went on the use his fame to tell young men to always get consent I would have no problem with him returning to his career.

The problem lies is where he thinks what he did wasn't wrong, he is the injured party and appealing to get his conviction over turned.

meirasa

If footballers are not role-models then why do children collect the stickers?
Why do children have the footballers name and number on the back of their shirts?
Why do companies employ footballers to promote and advertise products from boots to water to clothes?

To say that footballers are not role-models is really quite silly (edited for MN)

The reality is that most rapists find it difficult to find employment shortly after leaving prison (at least during the period when their crime has to be declared). Why should this be different for Mr Evans? The real surprise here is that so many clubs are willing to sign him. Doesn't say much for them really.

I do not think that Gary Glitter's sexual offences are the same as Ched Evans' conviction. It is a matter of the basic record that they are not.

The similarity is solely that neither formally disbar a performance career (whether sport or music) but both can and should be reconsidered following a serious conviction.

The point was intended to show that this is not only about the legalities of dismissal from a post. It is also about who a community wants performing, and in Evans' case it is considerably more concerning (than the adults only Glitter scenario) because of the presence of children in the audience.

There is no law whatsoever that prevents a criminal record (of any type) being a bar to employment.

I see this as being about community standards, especially when it concerns those who are role models to children.

Even if you believe that football players are not role models. They are hero in children eyes.

I don't think a rapist should be released from prision until they admit what they have done.

To be fair, that would be grossly unfair to the genuinely innocent.

It really is irrelevant whether parents tell their children they want them to grow up like a footballer, or indeed anyone else - indeed, for many children that would be a very good reason not to emulate the person in question! However, footballers are unquestionably role modes for many children.

In my view is that prison acts for 3 reasons.

1:- is punishment
2:- keep the public safe
3:- rehabilitation

Each as important as each other.

If 3 is not met, then as in number 2 the public is not safe.

Sky sports news breaking news ticker - Hartlepool will not be signing convicted rapist Ched Evans.

Hope it's true.

Well done Hartlepool

SKY article here

I wonder if Hartlepool was actually considering this, or if it was just Moore being a twat again and saying something that immediately horrified the club.

No club would be inviting him to play if he had anally raped a drunk 19-yr-old man

Sadly, a lot of males don't seem to regard his crime against a 19-yr-old woman as "real" rape, but instead are angry at his victim.
If a club allows him to play again, that is likely to reinforce this attitude among some impressionable boys and young men who idolise footballers. They may be more likely in future to treat drunken women as fair game.
That's quite different to his FIL employing him for a huge salary in his own business.

His family and supporters are still villifying the victim, which wouldn't happen against his wishes. His lack of repentance is totally blatant and shouldn't be rewarded.

Good on them for doing the right thing.

Slightly alarming that more people are saying that football needs rapists playing, but no doubt they are the minority and most people have a fully working moral compass.

Just seen an interview with the Hartlepool MP, was very impressed. He basically agreed that the Rapist Ched Evans had not expressed any remorse and so therefore he shouldn't ever be considered for a role in football again.

Hartlepool statement distances the club but says that the manager was simply answering a question someone else raised and then the media leapt on it.

WHY cant he doubt his own conviction? why does he need to dhow remorse if he thinks his conviction wasnt right?

i dont get this at all

I am pleased for my home town.

And the monkey was a French spy.