AIBU to believe in conspiring theorys?

[FriedFishAndBread]

That they never really landed on the moon, the rothschilds and their central banks in every country but two, jfk, Martin Luther King, the Whitehouse has actually admitted assignating malcom x, the pesticides they put in food to kill us and the flouride in water makes us stupid and is rat poised.

I may have been on ig to long... can I please have some common sense or is it true and the world's richest are out to get us and control us.

Absolutely bulbasaur. It normally is the boring explanation.

And of course Elvis is on tour with Princess Di and Lord Lucan. The only question is which of them is riding Shergar.

Have you heard of the X-Files conspiracy? About how the show came to be? It was a concept devised by the military/industrial/entertainment complex, which is why it’s difficult to find anything on the internet about it. Radio, and subsequently TV, has been broadcast for a very long time, and those signals also get broadcast into space. Naturally, any sufficiently advanced civilisation is going to pick up those signals and come investigating. But there was a problem: because Earth’s atmosphere is very unique, any attempts made to land on the planet had met with disaster (cf. the “Nevada Incident”). The message needed to be got out there that their flight parameters needed to be adjusted, and that was most likely to be achieved if the broadcast signals were of particular interest to those with whom the military/industrial/entertainment complex wished to communicate with. Science tells us that like attracts like, so TV signals about other-worldly entities would likely hit the sweet spot. Many countries signed up to re-broadcast the show, for maximum effect.

Hence the supposed production company name, which is broadcast at the end of each and every episode: Ten-Thirteen. It’s a barely-concealed code. It translates to 1013 numerically, and 1013 hectopascals (or millibars) is the average atmospheric pressure at sea level, and is the base-line for every flight in Earth’s atmosphere. It obviously worked, and the show eventually became redundant – some people think after about 5 years, some think after about 7 years, and some think that it continued for 9 years because to “disappear” a show too soon after the message had been received and understood would be suspicious.

Many of those who worked on the show went on to have brilliant careers, but it’s impossible to know how many of them truly knew the purpose of the project.

I don't really think a gang of Muslim extremists is a boring explanation tbh. It was absolutely horrendous. I'm not a conspiracy nut but I don't quite believe it happened how we were told it happened. Cover ups really do happen. The Hillsborough families were ignored for years as conspiracy theorists. They proved not much later on that they were fully prepared to lie and cause death for their own ends. Yet it's entirely unbelievable and the mindset of paranoid delusional nutters to go back a little further and question 9/11? Bush and Blair both being in power at those critical points in time? It's not even a stretch of the imagination.

Blimey Scala - that's heavy duty conspiracy shit right there! I am so busy at the moment that I can't settle down to look deeper into this stuff - it's so interesting!

Have we discussed the Illuminati yet?

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Er, ScalaDunny, apologies for popping your little conspiracy bubble, but 13 Oct is actually Chris Carter's birthday. That's where Ten Thirteen came from. No conspiracy shite at all.

I've never understood the claim that the US has to bomb itself to justify attacking other countries. They don't need an excuse and certainly not one so elaborate.

All they had to do is say they'd found evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

ScalaDunny, that's a lovely story, but again it's too complicated. It would be child's play for the military or government to send any signal they liked into space without all that rigmarole.

Here's one. Did you all know that the wind turbines are all facing the same way to slow down the planet to make it more comfortable for aliens?

I just made that up of course. :)

You can't just randomly declare war. You need something to enrage the people so they get behind it. And they did say there was evidence of WMD's. David Kelly was believed to have been about to whistle blow and ended up dead in very dodgy circumstances. Everyone gasps at the mere notion that 9/11 was an inside job - as if the government would have a hand in killing thousands of people! How many thousands do you think were killed in the illegal gulf war? GWB was finishing what his dad started. Do we just not think anything of it when it was middle eastern civilians blown away during that war?

Yes we said there was evidence of WMD's. That's one reason I used that example. It's easy enough and doesn't require complex plans.

Of course the government would be ok with killing people to get their way. I'm just saying they didn't need to in this case. If they did need to they could have come up with a more foolproof method. After all if you believe the conspiracy people there is loads of evidence. So it was a crap plan right? Given 10 minutes I could have come up with a plan that had the same effect and would have been much easier and safer to execute.

Do you believe the X-Files conspiracy too? If not then what made you decide not to believe it?

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Re the moon landings - there is a mirror on the moon, left by astronauts. You can reflect a laser on it from earth, how did it get there is no one has been?

I am surprised at the level of journalism / what people are ready to believe. eg GMTV once devoted an entire programme to '50% of NHS hospitals are below average" - er yes, of course they are, 50% of anything is below average.

Also WMD - did anyone ever ask what a WMD was? People assumed chemical weapons or nuclear - but WMD could mean a machine gun or a single tank.

I watched yet another programme about the twin towers a few months ago, what was interesting was an interview with a builder who had worked on building it - he did not want his family and friends inside it, his son worked there as a banker I think, and he made him promise to not speand any more time there than he had to.

It is hilarious what some people will believe and the very weak justifications they will come out with.

My current 'favourite' is people saying that the Duchess of Cambridge has used a surrogate for her pregnancies, the height of their 'evidence' being that she wears high heels when pregnant, which no one who was actually pregnant ever would apparently.

summer Isle I love talking about the illuminate. I can't quite believe any of it though.

So Jay z and beyonce are the head puppets of the illuminate and currupt our dc by sending signals through their music. Apparently a few of his songs if you play backwards say I am the devil.

Beyonce also has a church where people worship her (this is actually true about her church) they have a beyble and one child killed herself over this.

They have all had to sacrifice to get where they are, Kanye West had to sacrifice his mum, Rhianna her grandma and it's called MK mind control. Chris Brown isn't really a woman beater he tried to get out of the illuminate so they embarrassed him until he came back.

Jay Z sacrificed ayliya (I know I've spelt her name wrong but my minds gone blank) she didn't want to sing and do the evil things he wanted her to do, in her last song rock the boat she says she's sorry and going home and doesn't want this world anymore.

Oh puff daddy (diddy) is secretly gay and every man has to sleep with him to get anywhere in the biz. So is lil wayne and french Montana.

If they have symbols of triangles in their videos or they make triangle symbols with their hands (or a circle round their eye and fingers out) they're worshipping the devil and showing you.

Most of their concerts are like one big devil worship show, with pyramids and triangles.

They now make music at such a sound wave it programs our dc to be bad and if played at a certain volume it will burst their eardrums.

Apparently Disney ect are all in on it to and the programs they have nowadays are teaching our dc to be naughty and not listen to the parents, it's dismantling family values.

The illuminati thing is just racism isn't it? Or a poor justification for it.

All the celebrities allegedly involved in the "evil organisation" are almost exclusively black.

I've never seen it as a racism thing, there's plenty about blonde haired blue eyed Disney stars like miley, hannah Montana, britney, justin and Christina.

And a lot of people who believe they worship the devil are black Americans, they talk about it quite openly in church over there.

But maybe that is the conspiracy, it's like a conspiracy behind the conspiracy

I can't see how the Hillsborough cover up is evidence of the type of conspiracy theories we're discussing. That is simply a cover up after the event, to try to hide the many mistakes which led to Hillsborough: it's not as if anyone has suggested that the government or anyone else deliberately made it happen.

The problem with most conspiracy theories is that they assume a staggering level of efficiency on the part of the governments concerned. Yet we know about things like Iraq and WMD because of the inefficiency of the US and UK governments.

The moon landings one is a case in point. For that conspiracy to work, the US government would have had to ensure that thousands of people, not confined to NASA employees, would all keep quiet about the fact that it was a massive fiction - and not just the original moon landing but all the subsequent ones, to say nothing of Apollo 13. And at a time when relations with the Soviet were at their lowest ebb and there was major investment in the space race, they would have had to persuade the USSR to keep quiet also about the fact that their own highly sophisticated equipment would have told them that no moon landing had happened and no spacecraft going to and from the moon. Does anyone seriously think that is more likely than that none of the moon landings happened at all?

Icimoi The whole point of conspiracy theories is that you can get round all these objections just by adding to the list of conspirators.

Obviously the "failed" Apollo 13 mission was a hoax to persuade the gullible public that the others were successful.

And equally obviously the Soviet authorities were involved in the conspiracy. You can have lots of fun working out why!

Are Mumnet able to resurrect the conspiracy thread? It was brill - fascinating and scary

I've never heard of a few of this conspiracies. Evidently I'm a conspiracy ignoramus.

I'm going to go off now and read them all, and possibly get paranoid.

I love a good conspiracy theory thread.

Need to read up on SH though. Have no idea what was meant to have gone on there.

I love the idea of aliens who have mastered faster than light travel but can't measure air pressure and instead need the information hidden in episodes of the X-Files.

I suspect that many of the people that initiate and do the most to promote these theories are actually suffering from mental illnesses which include paranoid delusions. David Icke is a case in point. He very clearly had a mental breakdown in the early 90s and was very obviously delusional. David Shayler is another one who is clearly not a well man.

These ideas are then picked up by "rank and file" conspiracy theorists who are mostly perfectly rational, but a bit gullible and often have some kind of axe to grind against "the establishment".

There were lots of strange inconsistencies in the reporting of SH.
We did land on the moon.
Monarch programming happened.
The security forces have used remote viewing.
We have made alien contact but it has to remain secret because it proves religion is a lie and would cause civil unrest.
Marilyn was murdered because she was sleeping with both JFK and RFK and was therefore a threat to the adminstration.
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