AIBU to believe in conspiring theorys?

[FriedFishAndBread]

That they never really landed on the moon, the rothschilds and their central banks in every country but two, jfk, Martin Luther King, the Whitehouse has actually admitted assignating malcom x, the pesticides they put in food to kill us and the flouride in water makes us stupid and is rat poised.

I may have been on ig to long... can I please have some common sense or is it true and the world's richest are out to get us and control us.

Why would aliens prove religion is a lie?

Why would they be ' out to get us?'

A friend of mine is a conspiracy theorist. He's an intelligent, well-educated person, but he dismisses global warming as "what they want us to believe" and "unsupported by any evidence". And is simultaneously happy to believe any old shit he reads on dubious forms written mainly in capital letters.

*dubious FORUMS.

The Freeman are fun. We need some of them around here to liven the place up.

When you're 7yo you're declared legally dead and become property of the government blah blah, capitalising your name has a secret meaning blah blah ..refers to your legal person which counts as a ship under maritime law...

Freeman on the land

I am inclined to think that Marilyn Monroe death was the result of domestic violence. Very sad whatever the reason.

Some of these are fascinating but for all the wrong reasons!

I do agree with posters that there is probably cover ups etc which is why there's flaws in certain stories.

My DM, who is a perfectly rational and sane women has always been convinced that Diana was murdered. When you look at it you can see why so many people see a conspiracy there, she was embarrassing the Royal family, a real thorn in their sides. Her dying when she did was very, very convenient.

The one I read about Marilyn was that her affair with JFK had ended but that she was having an affair with Bobby and was in love with him, although IIRC he was trying to extricate himself as she was so unstable.

On the night of her death she rang Bobby, sounding very incoherent and, fearing that she had taken an overdose, he went over. He found her unconscious and called an ambulance and went in it with her (why?) knowing that it might be the end of his career but also feeling that he needed to do the right thing as her life was at stake. On the way to the hospital the paramedics found she had died.

Bobby then decided that as she had actually died they was no point risking his career. He had the ambulance turn round and Marilyn was put back in her bed. All the cover-up was actually to cover up their affair and that he had been there that night rather than any foul play.

9/11 wasn't just about going to war though, was it? It enabled the government to bring in a shit load of legislation that massively curtailed the rights and freedoms of it's own citizens.

Of course they could have found a reason to go into Iraq without it but in order to do what they did at home, they needed to push the population into survival mode through the a massive psychological trauma. People will suffer all sorts of conditions without protest when in fear for their lives as our survival instinct causes to 'shut down' - it was not a war ON terror but an object lesson in causing and utilising terror.

And then all they have to do is maintain us in that state, as someone said up thread, by dishing out the "you're all gonna die" scare stories on regular basis.

I had exactly the same feelings about SH when I first read the CT about it and only went looking into it because I wanted to be able to accurately shout down those who were adding insult to injury to the families. I was totally biased towards it being a real event, but much of the footage left me bemused. I don't want to give grist to the gun lobby, not one single bit but I don't see how an anti-gun movement is served by bullshit.

What would be most likely to end Bobby's career?

1. A girl he'd previously slept with taking an overdose while he was elsewhere.

1. Having it come out that he made the ambulance driver turn around and go back. Bearing in mind that's two people who had to keep the secret, but he'd also have to call the hospital and have them destroy their records and then call up the people who took the 911 call and swear them to secrecy and delete their records.

Imagine those calls "Hi this is Bobby kennedy. Yes that Bobby kennedy. No really I am - honest!. Anyway the reason I'm calling is I want you to destroy some records and not ever tell anyone even if you really don't like me and would like the small fortune the papers would pay you for the story".

"promise?"

Yeah I know

Although I think the account I related had "evidence" from said ambulance drivers/911 operators etc, that was the point.

But I hear what yer sayin'

DoubleValium here's a link to Bohemian Grove: conspiracy-watch.org/bohemian-grove-conspiracy-of-illuminati/

The Diana one really irritates me. If you wanted to kill her off, why on earth would you choose to do so in another country where you can't control events nearly so easily? And why on earth would you choose a method which was perfectly survivable by the simple means of wearing a seat belt?

Amazingly intact passports and other ID of the hijackers were found in the wreckage and survived the searing heat that brought down two enormous towers in less than an hour.

I don't think it is sensible to draw definitive conclusions on the whys and wherefore's - I have no idea who actually orchestrated 9/11, I just don't believe the official narrative.

I know very little about WW1, however I would say that I think that the reasons for waging war in general are far more complicated than a good vs bad or 'fighting a common enemy'. I also don't think war serves to increase freedom for the common man, ever.

There are those that suffer from war and there are those that gain from it and those that gain are on no 'side' but their own.

The Diana theory is just bollocks, it has to be. She was far more of an irritant and a threat to them as the dead Queen Of Hearts than she would have been as the living lover of a dodgy playboy. The tabloids were starting to turn on her when she died, everyone just forgot that in the midst of the hysteria.
Being involved in a fatal crash after getting into a car with a drunk driver and not putting your seatbelt on isn't establishment assassination, its a reasonably foreseeable accident with horrible consequences.

Re the sandy hook conspiracy theory I can't get my head around people believing actors were used,
surely actors have family and friends who would know their name and whether they had children.
Unless they used the whole actors family inc their children someone somewhere would say I know that guy he's not called 'Bob' and he doesn't have a daughter .

Even if actors used their real names and real families they would have to disappear.

Also other parents at the school would know what children were in that year and know of the parents seeing them every day so people couldn't just place actors as parents

Am I right in thinking that the rationale behind the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory is that it was all meant to provide the foundation for some anti-gun legislation? Because that seems utter nonsense - there have been so many of these incidents in the US without anything changing, so why would yet another one make any difference? And of course nothing actually has changed in the period of over two years since.

I believe in in-groups and out-groups, and that people in an in-group are more likely to believe others in the same group, hence 'just the women?' and all the numerous reports on various kinds of abuse which were ignored and left on shelves as they were obviously from crackpots, criminals, druggie scum, scroungers, inadequate people, morons, cretins, fantasists, whistleblowers, kids, schizophrenics, paranoid schizophrenics, narcissists, people with borderline personality disorder and just plain WOMEN - any of the names people in the in-group use to dismiss others. I don't think that's quite the same as a conspiracy though.

9/11 = Google 'Lucky Larry'. Also, you might be interested to know that there were a few celebrities (Seth McFarlane being one of them) who were due to be on those planes, but then missed them. What a coincidence!

If you are interested in Sandy Hook, you may want to look up the Aurora shooting, which is very closely related.

1. A couple of PP (jeee and icimoi and perhaps others) have made the point that governments just aren't that efficient. I have to agree. I have gone through enough government documents in my time to know that serious cock-ups really do happen.
2. Conspiracy theorists usually have quotes and numbers to back up their claims. I have tracked enough stuff from government documents into the work of various academics to know that the selective quote is the enemy of the representative one.
3. Must dash now - Shergar's getting on a bit and needs to be fed and rugged up early on cold nights like this one.

There's a theory that conspiracy theories aren't real - they are fictitious and have been deliberately invented so that international governments could conspire together to divert attention from what is really going on...

My first problem with Conspiracy Theories is that a lot of them have an Anti-Semitic slant.

For example about the Rothschilds - they ARE Jewish (one was murdered in the Holocaust unfortunately. They may not be religious I think, but they are Jewish & that is the problem many people have with them.)

There is a massive Conspiracy Theory about the Holocaust actually which many people sadly believe - they call it the Holohoax.

The Jews have had to set up their own websites refuting all the Holocaust Deniers' claims and have had to provide evidence against every claim these sick people make.
Unfortunately because the anti-Holocaust Denier websites are run by Jews then people don't believe the evidence because they don't trust the Jews.

It really makes me angry.