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AIBU?

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AIBU about BIL? Or are we in the wrong?

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Livingtothefull · 13/12/2014 12:30

We have a DS (13 years) who is severely disabled, has severe learning difficulties & is confined to a wheelchair. A few months ago we went to visit my DSis and BIL in their house. They had just been on holiday and were talking to my DS about it.

My BIL gave DS some things about the holiday to look at…to be honest I don't recall what these items were but believe they includedbooks and maps about the country they had been to. Apparently (BIL claims) among these were a couple of books that he wanted to loan to DS. He has now indicated to us that he wants them back.

This all started when BIL called a few weeks ago and spoke to me. He mentioned both the titles by name/author & asked if I could give them back to him when we saw them next. I said I couldn't recall the titles & he was adamant that we had them so I said I would look. We had a look & all I could find was a map of the country they had been to, nothing else.

A couple of weeks later my Dsis spoke to me about them & I confirmed I wasn't able to find them. I explained that it is very difficult to keep track of everything as we are so busy & DS was travelling constantly between home, school & therapy; but to the best of my knowledge we didn't have the books. SIL said not to worry & there was a good chance that we had never had them & that BIL had form for wrongly claiming other people had books of his which then turned out to have been on his bookshelves all along.

What has really upset us today is that we have received their Christmas card addressed to DS, sent since the conversation with Dsis. BIL has written in the card on the left hand side opposite the greeting: 'Please ask your Mummy to find/give back these books (listing titles/authors/publication dates)'.

DH is absolutely livid & said I am lucky he doesn't get straight on the phone to have it out with DSis and BIL. He wanted to burn the card but we have compromised & put it away in a drawer, I don't particularly want it out on display.

To be honest, I don't remember what BIL gave DS, also I didn't know that BIL was so anxious to have the items back. I am not excusing this but people often give things to DS to look at/play with, & I am assuming that people would not lend things to a disabled child that they would need to have back; only things they would have no further use for. I don't even remember the word 'lend' being used. I don't feel that we can take responsibility for such things as we have a lot on our plates (both DH and I work full time as well as caring for our DS and we both have health issues of our own).

I certainly don't remember BIL saying that he would definitely need the books back as they were precious to him; if he had, I would probably have refused to take them & told him that I wouldn't want to take responsibility for these. I assumed that BIL would understand not to entrust precious things to a child but then BIL and DSis don't have children.

I am feeling really upset now. We are due to see the whole family on Xmas day and I am worried that BIL will start on again about the books. I want to have a nice day not for us to be harangued about this. I could offer to pay for the books but I am not sure if we ever even had them & DH is strongly against us having to do this. BIL seems to consider them as precious/irreplacable anyway don't want to complain to my DM as don't want to drag her into this, she is elderly….so I don't know quite how to handle this.

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HappyAgainOneDay · 13/12/2014 15:40

I'm sorry but my opinion is that if you borrow and do not give it back - whatever it is - you are stealing.

I have learned the hard way by lending and not receiving back something that I really wanted back. Now I lend absolutely nothing in the way of material goods. The borrower who spoilt it for me also spoilt it for others who would like to borrow from me.

On the odd occasion (very few) that I have borrowed, I have given a note to the lender to acknowledge that I have borrowed. I have never kept anything belonging to someone else.

Holdthepage · 13/12/2014 15:50

To restore peace I would replace the books but I would include a note with them telling BIL not to foist his belongings on to your son again as you have better things to do than pander to his pettiness.

He must be totally convinced that he loaned the books otherwise he wouldn't be creating such a fuss would he?

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/12/2014 16:08

Replacing the books would not stop your BIL from raising the subject again, indeed it would probably just add a crowing tone because he would take it as an 'admission of guilt'. SO DON'T DO IT!

Fuck him. He sounds very odd.

Laquitar · 13/12/2014 16:29

Give him, no actually give your dsis acard and on the left side write: can you please remind dbil that we DO NOT have the books?'

He sounds a bit attention seeker?

mcdog · 13/12/2014 16:30

What a shitty thing to put in a card. I agree with others who've said about not hiding your issues from others, and subsequently calling sister and explaining you don't give a rats arse about some stupid bloody books because of XYZ going on in your life currently.

Laquitar · 13/12/2014 16:32

HappyAgain, wtf??

Marcelinewhyareyousomean · 13/12/2014 16:37

Happy are you the bilHmm?

Op your first para in the 12:38 post is a perfect response. Your bil is a twat.

Livingtothefull · 13/12/2014 16:40

No HappyAgain we are not stealing. As I made clear, to the best of my knowledge we do not have the books, if we had them of course we would send them back. We have no interest in them anyway but even if we did we would always return somebody's property to them regardless. So no I do not categorise us as thieves.

I will contact Dsis and explain how upset I am and why….don't want to do it yet as I may say something I shouldn't. I think she is aware that we have better things to worry about & suspect she may not know about this card or the message….but it was written as from them both to DS.

DS is coming home soon & I don't want him to see the card. He has had lots of lovely Xmas cards sent with love & best wishes so doesn't need this backhander.

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Chippednailvarnish · 13/12/2014 16:50

Happy they didn't knowingly borrow anything, so stop being so judgemental.

Op if you have the time and effort it might be fun to cut random letters out if a newspaper and glue them on to a page of A4 paper in the following order;
"Dear Dickhead, we have your books and we are using them up page by page as toilet paper, and we're not sharing. Love the imaginary book thief xx"
Then post it to Bil.

itiswhatitiswhatitis · 13/12/2014 16:55

The more I think about it the more horrified I am that they put this in your DS's Christmas card. It's really quite shitty behaviour even if they genuinely believe you have the books. What sort of person sends a Christmas card to a severely disabled child with a guilt trip inside?

TrendStopper · 13/12/2014 16:55

I thought Happy was replying to a poster who said that you shouldn't lend stuff to people because you might not get it back. The post sounded like it was ok to borrow stuff from people and then keep it. I don't think it was aimed at you OP.

Livingtothefull · 13/12/2014 17:04

Yes itswhatitis that is exactly what has upset me. WHY would they put it in my DS card? It would be one thing if it was in a card sent to the two of us or if they had brought up the subject separately…..I just don't know what possessed them to do that or how it could be thought acceptable.

Thanks Trend I take the point re Happy's post and I am not saying she is entirely wrong, in certain contexts when a valuable item is loaned and it is clear that it is wanted back then it is unacceptable to not return it. But i don't think this applies here.

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itiswhatitiswhatitis · 13/12/2014 17:11

I'd be tempted to buy the books and write inside it "here's your new books, I hope the day you stumble across the originals that we never had you have the good grace to apologise for your behaviour, though I somehow doubt it"

TheRealMaryMillington · 13/12/2014 17:12

Ring your DSis and sort this out and tell your DBil to drop it.

You don't have the books, you are convinced you never had them, but have searched the house at their request nonetheless, you have done everything that could be reasonably expected of anyone.

DBIl is being an idiot - is he always like this?

Mickeysmonkey · 13/12/2014 17:14

It's the straw that broke the camel's back, isn't it? I don't know anything of your family situation, but it sounds terribly difficult. I'm so sorry that you're dealing with this.

Having said that, I would perhaps cut your sister some slack. I am assuming that BIL wrote the card? If so, the fact that he wrote "we" and not "I" is of little consequence, really. It doesn't mean that she was "in on it" or is happy about the message. She may not have even known about it. BIL sounds very difficult, she may be hugely embarrassed.

Give your sister a call, and clear the air. So much better than texting. I would hate for your Christmas plans to be ruined over this. Good luck to you, and I hope you and your family get through the season ok.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 13/12/2014 17:17

Your dh might have escalated the situation, but I cannot blame him for being cross or for sending that text. I haven't seen any of your other posts, but it is clear from this thread that you have such a lot on your plate at the moment, and don't need this nasty hassle from your BIL- and putting a note like that in a card to a child - any child - is beyond the pale.

I hope your dh has given you a huge hug - I think you need one - and I hope that your sister deals with her dh, and you all get to have a lovely Christmas!

CakeWine for you.

TheRealMaryMillington · 13/12/2014 17:17

I think your DH sounds like he is being teeny bit high maintenance tbh. Him getting arsey isn't going to help and may inflame things. Calm straight talking in person and get the line drawn. Don't let it spoil your Christmas.

higgle · 13/12/2014 17:27

OP, what an odd family you are, is all this angst over a couple of books really necessary? BiL obviously thinks he lent the books, and the message in the card wasn't rude. If he did lend the books that was nice of him, if he didn't then he just ahs a poor memory. You seem to have blown it up out of all proportion. If it was me I'd just buy the books ( unless very expensive) and think no more of it. Life is too short to fall out with anoyone over an issue like this.

Itsfab · 13/12/2014 17:33

"…..I don't know why he would lend them if they were so precious."

He didn't lend them to you, you don't have them!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 13/12/2014 17:36

Putting the message in his nephew's Christmas card seems a bit passive-aggressive, perhaps, higgle.

Jill2015 · 13/12/2014 17:47

I wouldn't replace the books for all the tea in China - asides from anything else, when he does find his precious fucking books at home, he will not realise they are the originals and will overlook them as the replacements...iyswim?

Nopey dope...he'd get nowt from me other than a flick of the vees.

I can't put it any better than this...
I think what would finish me is him addressing the card to the child, the cowardly creature!

FunkyBoldRibena · 13/12/2014 17:53

If it was me I'd just buy the books ( unless very expensive) and think no more of it.

Why? Do you let everyone else in your life decide what you spend your money on? Or blackmail you by sending cards to your kids like that?

DraggingDownDownDown · 13/12/2014 17:59

How big and heavy are these books? As previous poster wrote, you would remember carrying them home, in the car, into the house etc. If you put them somewhere either you or your DH WOULD remember.

If you have not put them away anywhere then they would be visibly on show.

Livingtothefull · 13/12/2014 18:01

higgle thanks for expressing your honest opinion. I don't agree that we are the ones escalating this….not sure if we are blowing this out of proportion although it is true that as we have a lot on our plates we are more upset by things that otherwise we could shrug off. I just feel that we have enough crap to deal with without having to deal with any from family members.

I don't think that the message in the card was appropriate at all. It may be that it wasn't intended to upset us but the fact is that it did and we are owed an apology. I don't want to fall out with anyone and am not looking to make any drama out of this.

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Livingtothefull · 13/12/2014 18:38

No I have thought about it & I am not over dramatising this. If I wanted to i could get other family members & friends involved, scan over the card so they can see it etc. I am not doing so because I don't want a big fallout….I am venting on here anonymously rather than cause a huge drama. As usual I am the one sparing everyone else's feelings.

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