Not aibu but absolutely gutted about the mother and her baby found dead

[Goodmum1234]

I didn't know her but having only given birth ten weeks ago myself and now seeing her photo on the news I am devastated for her, her baby and her family ?? having had severe pnd four years ago I can see how things can go so wrong if no one knows how you feel and intervenes. RIP x

This poor young woman must have reached the very depths of despair to take this terrible route. It's heartbreaking that she saw this as her only solution. My thoughts are with her loved ones.

I seriously hope that this tragic case is properly investigated too. I really do think that the hospital has some difficult questions to answer.

Full moonish, heartisaspade. Brings out the mad, sad and twat.

Bugger spoke too soon :(

Reported.

It is truly awful. As a pp said, I see it and that could have been me. My dd is now six months and I hardly put her down these last few days.

It may not have been PND, horrific in its own right, but also postpartum psychosis which has a scary rate of occurrence in women who have a pre existing mental health condition such as hers.

She should have been monitored literally round the clock if she came off her medication to breastfeed. Lots of us continue to take our drugs, a day formula feed, for that exact reason, and also so she could sleep more.

The depth of ignorance and lack of. compassion from some people never ceases to amaze me. But I will feed the troll no more!

A day? And formula feed!

What I dont get is how someone who is obviously ill was not monitored more closely. Many women who have no history of MH issues suddenly nose dive after having a baby, I was one of them, so surely a woman who already had issues should have been under close supervision?

If the correct procedures had been followed then she would be alive, her baby would be alive and she would be getting the medication and treatment she would need to be a good mother to a child she clearly loved.

Its utterly heartbreaking.

How is lauranorder50 a troll for bringing up an important ethical issue? (Albeit in a harsh, abrasive way). It is reflective of how society views people with MH issues- only some actions are justifiable when someone is mentally unwell. I don't know how I feel about this myself really- the mother side of me is mortified by the fact that someone could harm a child and I am angry, but then Im conflicted as PND is a terrible thing, and I feel for the mother as she was obviously not of sound mind. I am also mad that she wasn't stopped. It is not a black and white issue.

Philpot did what he did in order to frame his ex GF so he would get custody of the kids. He did it for utterly selfish reasons and his kids paid the price.

Charlotte had a mental illness that can cause severe issues at the best of times, she was dealing with the physical and emotional upheaval of having a new born and was no longer on her medication.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two and I am disgusted that anyone would suggest that there is.

Honestly, sometimes on Mumsnet I think that HQ might as well type out the responses on threads, as you're only allowed to say certain things that follow the grain of everyone else. No room for discussion, or God forbid someone should actually be educated and learn something from other people. There has been a few times where I've had an opinion and it has been changed by discussing it. But NO! Yell troll because it is easier just to wipe away a controversial opinion than to challenge it.

I do think there is no connection between this tragedy and the Philpott case, but the question of public opinion of PND and other MH issues is a very real one.

There is a real problem with the perception of post partum mental illness, and with mental illness in general. But not pulling someone up when they call a very sick woman a child murderer or compare that woman to a man who set fire to a house his children were sleeping in is not going to help is it?

Only by pointing out the differences in the cases is the person who has the skewed view going to learn that MH is a totally different issue to being a selfish heartless bastard.

I do kind of get what laura Is saying, I wouldn't of used the philpot case as he did that to frame his ex and get his kids

however a man in the states with mh issues (I think it was depression and paranoia) killed his two kids and then blew the house up with them all in it. He didn't get any sympathy just a lot of how utterly selfish he was, he murdered his children and took them away from the mother etc.

I can't ever imagine feeling so desperate to get out id hurt my Dc's and take my own life. I just hope their family are all as okay as can be

Philpot had no MH issues laura.

Charlotte Bevan had been treated for both schizophrenia and depression and had stopped her medication for the most maternal and loving of reasons.

You could say that someone who believes that setting fire to their childrens home is the best way to get custody doesnt have the best picture of mental health. Where is the line drawn? I'm not trying to be inflammatory by the way, these are genuine ethical questions that I wonder about. Who is to say whos MH issues trumps others?

Absolutely no where has it said she murderered the baby. Some serious conclusion jumping there

Arsenic how do you know that? Not everyone is diagnosed

He was on a multiple murder charge; he had thorough psychiatriac assessments.

yourkids

Because it was never claimed by the defence, and believe me they would have tried. At no point did any professional involved in the case suggest that Philpott was acting with anything other than the full set.

He set fire to the home intending to "rescue" the children and frame his ex for arson. The fire took too quickly as they poured petrol through the letter box and then couldnt get in. That is not mental health issues, that is astupid person who thinks he is clever.

Read the local paper reports (as I did, I live in the next town) and the picture painted is not a sick man but of a "geezer" who thinks he is cleverer than everyone else. He was not well liked.

psychiatric^

Yes, what Bogey said - any hint of a MH issue would have been identified and used in defence/mitigation. It wasn't

Charlotte however was a young mum who was prepared to forgo her meds in order to breastfeed her young child. I am sure if she had known what would have happened then she would have been first in the queue for Cow and Gate.

She loved her child, that much is clear.

arsenic I was thinking that you put it better than me.

But yes, if there was even a cat in hells chance that he could have got a diminished responsibility plea then they would have gone for it. They didnt because he was assessed at having no MH issues.

Totally ignoring the posts comparing this poor lass with a total twat. And how distasteful is that btw. Hope you are ashamed of yourself.

As a nurse myself I can guarantee that those midwives and nurses are devastated. The law doesn't allow you to stop parents holding/walking around the hospital with their babies for goodness sake. Unless a person is sectioned they are free to leave.

I am sure if they had been told about her previous problems then they would have monitored her appropriately as per a care plan.

Can I just add that nurses are bound by the direction of the consultant in
charge and are not loose cannons.

It's not a soap opera where you can
act on a hunch. There are laws.

My own teen dds were stunned into
silence at the fate of theses two and we all had a cry.

Just heartfelt sympathy to everyone concerned.

Just imagine thinking that your best course of action was death.

Poor charlotte and her baby.