To think Victoria Secret Angels are just ordinary women?

[RoseCavallari]

Obviously they are beautiful and have amazing figures but they are still ordinary women. They get their body through hard work and eating well.

I was reading some comments on the DM with people saying -

I could never have a body like that as I don't have the time to work out.

These girls obviously starve themselves

That they are lucky to look like that.

We all have the same choices, just like them. They work, they have children, but they make better food choices and have the dedication to work out.

Aibu to think these are ordinary women and the hate comments are most likely down to jealousy?

Most model builds are unattainable from the off because their genes play some factor in it.
Then money that pays for nutritionists and personal trainers.

It's not even worth a debate. It will never change. Clothes that are cut a certain way flatter a certain bodyshape, but models all have a generic bodyshape, so they suit all clothes cuts.

they are VERY VERY VERY genetically blessed

as most women are more, shall we say "ordinary" I disagree with your comment

I have SO MANY PROBLEMS with the VS Angels.

1. It is an unpleasant throwback to the very beauty pageants we were all so horrified by on that thing on Channel 4 the other week about television in the 70's. VS models are there to be passively looked at and praised for their physical attributes. I don't like that the press is full of breathless praise for a show that involves women walking up and down a catwalk in bras and knickers and being praised for this remarkable achievement.

2. The knickers they are supposedly selling are horrible and cheap. It's little better than Primark, but positioning itself as aspirational and desirable.

3. I do not think they look "sexy" in that there is a strange clash between the modern athleticism of the womens' bodies, the insane levels of fake tan, the pneumatic breasts and the throw-back Las Vegas stripper underwear.

Rose, why do you keep posting threads about these fabulously beautiful women and claiming that they are in no way "lucky", for want of a better word, to have been genetically blessed with a slender frame?

I really don't understand, but the fact that on the two threads I've noticed you've posted have included references to these ladies instagram accounts suggests you're doing some kind of stealth marketing perhaps?

of course they're lucky, they are beautiful. that's not something that comes with 'hard work' it's something your born with.
yes, everyone can put time and effort into their physical appearance if they choose to and are in a position to do so, but that won't make any average person meet this standard of beauty.

Of course they're not ordinary women They're models with one of the top gigs. If ordinary women were like VS models, there's be no work for them, would there?

Is it daft week on Mumsnet??

not everyone gets to look like a model through hard work.

Beauty is not democratic/fair like that.

I used to be (and am) 6 ft (that is genetics or "luck", or "bad luck" depending on your idea of ideal height ...) and slim due to fast metabolism (genetic) and ate loads of takeaways, pints and biscuits and still was size 8/10.

Older now, and not fussed about being thin, two kids later, 40s, a bit bigger (size 12) but I still eat everything I like and don't get fat. That's partly due to active lifestyle.

But I consider myself pretty damn lucky to have inherited my parents' fast metabolism. All my siblings are the same.

Apologies for this boastful post, just trying to make a point.

I could still never have been a model, as not beautiful like that, and neither quite that thin. But still, looks are mainly down to luck. IMO

also, Victoria Secret bras/undies are badly fitting and nasty synthetic, I don't get the hype!

i only couldn't be a model because I'm so short. I'm well under 5 foot. I could work out, eat well and look just as slim and tones though because I am a size 6 with a bit of flab. thats literally it. these women are absolutely amazing and they aer role models. they're absolutely human and like the instagram woman, may not get off the couch most days. But, they put in that time.
There's no excuse for not exersising other than laziness! lets be honest here, I'm as lazy as they come. I can't be arsed. at all. And I don't really have the time! But, you make that time! thats the dedication bit! if people can put in an hour a week to, say, do some sewing, switch it for swimming instead!
laziness isn't a bad thing. We can all look like this. being model material isn't part and parcel of being fit and healthy.

what are you saying?

I'm relieved to hear they're "absolutely" human

Mind you, the undies wouldn't look the same on a potted plant.

I'm slim and quite toned but er no I don't look anything like a model.

Some conform to this type of beauty but most of us don't.

Chandon, I think solidus might have been saying we should all have the same figure as them, even if it means we have to give up other life-enriching activities to put in the amount of work needed. And also that, if we have model figures, we still can't be models. But should do the work anyway.

I might be wrong, it's quite hard to tell what she meant.

But yes, they are ordinary in the sense that like most of us they are not extraordinary.

I certainly don't think they are absolutely amazing or super role models! They are good looking, that's all.

OP: "That they are very lucky to look like that"

How can you say that is a "hate comment" from someone who is jealous of these ladies?

I do not see it as hateful or nasty in any way.

OP if you genuinely think all users of MN could become VA just by dieting, exercising and making good food choices you must be delusional.

Victoria's Secret sells crap underwear so to me, their advertising is a non-event.

JohnFarley no one is claiming VA have an extraordinary intelligence, personality etc (although some of them may have). What people are saying is they have extraordinary beauty which is true.

Well they look very nice but so do most young women, hardly extraordinary, they just exemplify a type.

Yabu. They have a lot more time to work out and money to spend on certain foods and nannies because they earn much more than the average person plus their earnings depend on their body weight.
The shape of the their bodies is just chance and genetics. A lot of people could be the same weight but their shape and height would mean they look nothing like this body type.

Genetics definitely play a big part. They determine your body shape, your body shape cannot really be altered (aside from corset training to give the hourglass sort of shape). They can determine how your body looks after children too. Stretch marks, for example, are way more likely if your mother and grandmother have them. I have a wrinkly stretch mark filled stomach post DC, as does my mother. Only surgery can take that away fully, nothing will get rid of the stretch marks.

It's their JOB to look this way so they have a lot of time to dedicate to looking good. It's not like they have a full time job AND have to find time to work on their body, 90% of their job is spending time trying to look good. They have personal trainers, nutritionists, stylists, hair stylists, make up artists, nannies and oodles of money so if something does look out of sorts there's probably a surgical procedure for it. They work hard of course, the personal trainer can't work their body for them! But they have the hours and money to put into it, a lot of women do not.

Also I don't think just any woman can look how they do because we're all different anyway. Height and body shape make huge differences. A lot of models have a boy figure and are 5 foot 8+, this makes them look slimmer than a 5 foot 4 Apple shape for example.

It is not just about the good body, we could all have that if we exercised and ate healthily. They are also very pretty women and obviously not all women are that attractive.