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Psting in AIBU for traffic - Bristol mum and newborn have gone missing, please keep your eyes open if in bristol!

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KnitFastDieWarm · 03/12/2014 12:01

Apologies for posting here but the Avon and Somerset police are running an urgent appeal for the safe return of Bristol mum Charlotte Bevan and her four day old baby, who have gone missing from a central Bristol maternity unit and haven't been seen for over 12 hours. PLEASE keep an eye out for her and phone the police if you see her - she's white, around 5'8, dark hair, wearing a black top, black trousers and hospital slippers or flip flops. Her baby is wrapped in a stripey blanket.

Hoping and praying for a safe return sad

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/03/mother-baby-missing-bristol-maternity-hospital

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2014 17:06

A few findings that might interest some of you, mainly from a report carried out by the London School of Economics and the Centre for Mental Health that was published last month:

  1. One in five women develops some form of mental health issue during pregnancy and the months after childbirth.

  2. For all births in one year, there is a long-term cost of £8.1bn stemming from mental health problems. (And the report's authors say this is a conservative estimate). Of the £8.1bn cost, a fifth was borne by the public sector including the NHS and social services. The remainder was estimated as a wider cost to society such as through lost earnings.

To put that into perspective the cost to the UK economy of overweight and obesity was estimated at £15.8 billion per year in 2007, including £4.2 billion in costs to the NHS.

  1. There are significant gaps in the detection of mental health problems in the period before and after birth, with only an estimated 40% being diagnosed, with just 3% of women experiencing a full recovery

  2. The cost of providing a service that met minimum National Institute for Health and Care Excellence guidelines across the country would be £337m a year.

  3. Of 211 clinical commissioning groups in England, the regional organisations that partly replaced primary care trusts last year, just 3% have a formal strategy for perinatal mental health services, with a significant majority having no plans to implement one.

  4. Talking therapies are seen as especially useful for milder cases of perinatal depression since many anti-depressants cannot be used while pregnant or breastfeeding, but there is currently capacity to treat just 15% of women in England who need such services.

  5. Women can be treated in special mother and baby mental health units, but twice as many of these facilities are needed.

  6. The Maternal Mental Health Alliance carried out a parallel audit of perinatal mental health services around the country with the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

It found no specialist service at all in 40% of areas in England and Scotland, rising to 70% on Wales and 80% in Northern Ireland. Fewer than 15% of the UK had comprehensive provision.

  1. There is very wide disparity in care throughout the NHS which is highlighted by London; seven of the 32 areas had highest-level services, but nine provided none.

I personally benefitted massively from an amazing ante-natal mental team. But I had to go to a neighbouring Trust to get that and it was something that I actively sought out off my own back. When I have dealt with mental health services in my own Trust as part of my maternity and postnatal care they do not have specialist services and have been poor in comparison as a result.

People are pointing the finger on this thread about breastfeeding, but that misses the point massively. That type of pressure which may or may not have been a contributing factor in this particular case, is the result of poor understanding of mental health in general. The real issue as I've detailed above is the massive, totally inexcusable under investment in peri-natal mental health which means staff are not trained to prevent or spot problems nor do they gave resources to help women if they are picked up on. If staff understaff issues better then care all round would be better and there would be more understanding of pressuring women in a variety of situations during and after birth.

I hope no one thinks I'm jumping on the bandwagon of this poor woman's death, but it does seem clear that there was some sort of failure here which relates to her mental health, simply because women don't just walk off a ward like that, if they are well. I don't see the point of pointing fingers at the staff on wards, when the heart of the issue clearly lies at a funding and political level.

We do not need to security tag babies or lock pregnant / postnatal women with mental health problems up. We need services and staff who can support them, we need women to be aware of services that can help them, and we need to remove the stigma and fear that women have if they have mental health issues.

The MMHA launched a campaign last month to highlight the issue. maternalmentalhealthalliance.org.uk/ They published a map which shows which areas are performing better than others, which can be found here: everyonesbusiness.org.uk/?page_id=349

duplodon · 04/12/2014 17:06

I had a year's worth of services from my perinatal mental health team when I 'just' had PND/OCD and used to have therapy on the wards. I saw so many Charlottes. It is so upsetting to think that so many of these units have been rationalized putting women like Charlotte and babies like Zarnee at unacceptable risk of tragedies like these. Tonight I hold my third baby as a well woman and all I can do is send the peace I now feel out onto the world and hope some infinitesimally small ripple reaches those affected by her loss x

raltheraffe · 04/12/2014 17:07

I wonder why she was on the ward for 4 day's then. She could not have been diagnosed with the psychosis if they were letting her home. Something is not right here at all.

Neverbuyheliumbalonz · 04/12/2014 17:08

Oh god, just the worst possible outcome Sad I am just glad that Zaani was found quickly though, it would have even worse (well it can't really get much worse I guess) to think that she would never be found and would be all alone in the gorge, or washed away in the river or something. It sounds really silly, but I am just glad someone is with her now iyswim. A life over before it has even begun.

Rather one of the first things I thought when I read about this was that it was fairly unusual for a mother and baby (neither of whom seemed physically ill) to still be in hosptial by day 4. Then I thought that it could be a situation similar to that family a few months ago with the son who had a brain tumour, or sometjing like that? But I think you are probably correct, I don't know anything about procedures for new mothers with mental illness.

RIP Charlotte and Zaani xxx

Neverbuyheliumbalonz · 04/12/2014 17:10

Oh yes Actually, I too read that she had been due to be discharged on Wednesday. I don't know either then.

Itsfab · 04/12/2014 17:14

Just so sad but entirely avoidable imho.

Half hour checks are just not good enough.

Her poor family.

RIP Charlotte and Zaani.

Her family won't have any peace now.

When will someone listen and realise what having a baby can do to some people and give them the full and productive support they need.

Itsfab · 04/12/2014 17:19

KIM147 - you are a lovely friend. I hope your new mum friend is doing okay.

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Itsfab · 04/12/2014 17:36
Sad

kim147 - can I be so bold as to offer advice to help your friend? If yes, PM me and we will talk that way. If not, just ignore.

raltheraffe · 04/12/2014 17:40

She was known to have depression and the baby's father claimed she had previously been treated for schizophrenia but that has not been confirmed.

Chances there were MH concerns as she had been on the ward 4 days. That is a long time for physical complications from the birth.

If she did have severe depression or schizophrenia, social services would have been involved from about 6 months pregnancy.

If she had psychosis she would have gone to MABU so she could not have been behaving in a delusional manner.

Normally when someone commits suicide there are signs beforehand. There was in my uncle and my friend who jumped off a motorway bridge a few months back.

However my friend at University killed himself and there is absolutely no way anyone could have predicted it.

Zamboni · 04/12/2014 17:42

What absolutely tragic news. Thoughts with their families.

drbonnieblossman · 04/12/2014 17:43

This is so very very tragic.

And what a lot of armchair sleuths there are. All this "something's not right here" crap.

Save yourselves for the next re-run of Columbo, seriously.

The length of time this poor woman stayed on hospital could have been for any number of reasons.

The only facts are that a woman and her newborn daughter have died. The rest is pure, distasteful, supposition.

auntboggle · 04/12/2014 17:43

Excellent post RedToothBrush. MumsnetHQ - if ever there was a campaign needed to raise the profile of an issue - it is this. Mothers with any kind of mental health issue and depression need so much more mental health care and support, not the fear of having their children taken away [not speculating on this case, but the general fear women with mental health issues have]

raltheraffe · 04/12/2014 17:52

Something is not right here and I am allowed to state that.

If you do not like my posts bonnie report them to the mods, rather than calling them crap.

cherubimandseraphim · 04/12/2014 17:53

Great post RedToothBrush

cherubimandseraphim · 04/12/2014 17:54

I was in for five days just because DD wasn't latching properly and was losing weight.

CheeseEqualsHappiness · 04/12/2014 17:55

So so sad.

drbonnieblossman · 04/12/2014 17:55

Why is something not right here? My point is no-one knows.

I'm not going to report your post, what a ridiculously childish thing to say.

Hatespiders · 04/12/2014 17:59

So dreadfully sad. The mother and her daughter are together and at peace now, but I feel for their family/friends. Just imagine what the dp and her parents are going through. Poor souls, Christmas will be the most miserable time imaginable.

raltheraffe · 04/12/2014 18:01

Again the personal insults "crap", "ridiculously childish".

Bonnie you do not moderate this forum. MN do.

If you do not like my posts you have the option of reporting them. However you prefer to hurl insults at people which says more about you than it does me.

Please refrain from being so rude and insulting.

Disengaging from you now.

TheRainInTheWoods · 04/12/2014 18:05

There but for the grace of God go so many of us.

RIP Charlotte and little Zaani.

drbonnieblossman · 04/12/2014 18:06

Oh :-(

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