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To say where MIL's are concerned there two sides to a story?

311 replies

MiddletonPink · 16/11/2014 09:12

There seems to be an abundance of mil threads again on here.

I don't believe that every single mnetter is virtuous and without some blame in the breakdown of her relationship with her mil.

Some posters would do well to think about that and also remember that one day you are likely to be that hateful woman Wink

OP posts:
bedraggledmumoftwo · 16/11/2014 19:42

In the case of my own toxic mil, her side of the story is entirely fictional! Her successful, graduate, homeowner son, who works 80hrs a week to support his wife and daughters, and has never had so much as a speeding ticket, was described to me in all seriousness as "a lifetime of disappointments". I wish i had a video of the moment i showed her an email thanking us for the flowers he had sent her for the birthday she was swearing blind he had forgotten! At least now i know she is delusional it helps me to just ignore all her bullshit and not take anything to heart.

QueenofallIsee · 16/11/2014 19:54

I have 3 sons and 1 DD, I do ponder what I will be like as a MIL. I will try not to be difficult, I do like things my own way if I am honest about myself but thankfully DP reminds me if I take that too far.

My own MIL is a nice person. She tries very hard with her 3 DIL (she has 3 sons) and I have never seen her challenging us for supremacy, she rigorously avoids playing favourites and treats us all the same. She actually said to me once (not in a passive aggressive way) that she saw her job as loving her DILs as they are who her sons, who she loves more than anything, have chosen. She had 1 god-awful DIL but thankfully she is now an ex and her replacement is nice. I think its easier for me as my DP is the owner of the relationship - there is no expectation that I am responsible for it, he calls her/remembers b'days etc etc. I could do worse than be like her I think

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 16/11/2014 20:04

Queen she sounds like an utterly lovely mil who has brought up lovely sons who she loves and who love her and remember her birthday and like you say own the relationship!!

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 16/11/2014 20:07

LuluJakey1 Sun 16-Nov-14 19:41:40

You have gold there, never take it for granted.

Mine was rushing to hospital, making rude comments about who baby looked like, took over home, re arranged everything bossed me about, undermined me - and dh...came round every single day Shock never let baby out of arms

LuluJakey1 · 16/11/2014 21:23

ZeVite I know. She is great. My mum died this year and my MIL was a huge support to me with sorting her house out when I could not bear anyone else to help me sort through her things. She was so practical but sensetive.

DH - like Queen said- has 'ownership' of the relationship. He remembers birthdays, buys presents, phones twice a week etc. Him and SIL have been brought up to be very well- balanced, nice, respectful, thoughtful people. Hope we do the same job with our little boy when he gets here.

TaraKnowles · 16/11/2014 23:37

My MIL is a treasure. She's like the nicest person you've ever met. I have nothing but the upmost respect and affection to her and I hope when I am a MIL to my dcs spouses that I am as nice as her. But she is a really special person.

Marcelinewhyareyousomean · 17/11/2014 00:19

OP I think your issue is with your ds not his gf. HE chooses how he spends his time and you blame her for it.

ZeVeite makes a lot of sense and I don't think there's always two sides. Any issues I have with my inlaws are down to my dh. When dh's sit on the fence, they upset everyone; ils get a scapegoat.

Dils change the status quo - we should all to try to fit together; I don't believe it's the s\dil's responsibility to fit in and make all the effort and comprise.

I would never be friends with my ILS; we are too different. It doesn't mean we can't get along, it isn't just up to me. It drives me mad that dh doesn't make plans with his family. If they don't see him or ds it's not down to me. If they think I'm controlling then so be it.

klog · 17/11/2014 00:28

yeh sometimes I read the threads and think, oh, just smile and nod and smile and nod!

I did that while I was with my x. It was only when I left her son that my xmil was openly nasty to me. That was a relief for a while as I'm much better at open warfare. Not that I was ever nasty to her, she just cried and was a huge martyr when I defended myself.............. yeh, me defending myself against her nastiness made her cry! but we "got on" for 8 years before I left.

xalyssx · 17/11/2014 00:45

I have a MIL and an exMIL, and they are both pretty good BUT current MIL pushes so many boundaries with my baby DS.

MistressDeeCee · 17/11/2014 00:50

There are some stories I read on here and you can tell that yes, MIL is lets say "very difficult". However the ones I read that just sound like "right, Ive married your son now so its all about me, I call the shots" seem far move prevalent..as if some women feel the need to move into competition mode with MIL which is very unkind, really. Swings and roundabouts...

fairypond · 17/11/2014 01:11

I miss my wonderful MIL. She was messy, liked a drink, and on occasion my kids suffered the odd accidental cigarette burn, but she had a huge heart and was loved by everyone who new her.
She was the only genuinely good person I have ever known. I loved her.

AliceLidl · 17/11/2014 01:13

MommyBird I could have written your post as well.

For what it's worth, before I married DH I had three previous relationships. One lasting two years, the next lasting three, the last one four (DH and I have been married now for over thirteen years, just in case anyone is expecting a five next Smile )

I got on well with all three of my 'almost MIL's. The first one has now sadly died but we always used to exchange cards at Christmas etc after my relationship with her son ended. The second one, I still see fairly frequently, she gave a very generous gift to my son when he was born, and we still get along very well. The third, I don't see anymore but I miss her and whenever I see my ex I ask after her and he tells me she still asks after me.

And when I met DH, I was really pleased that he came from a large and (seemingly) close family. I was more than prepared to be part of it, I was looking forward to family get togethers and visits, lots of gatherings, I would phone MIL as often as I would phone my own mother, just to have a chat etc, even having them stay over with us often.

In short, I was happy to do everything MIL has always claimed she wanted in her family, have a big, family focused social life, visit them often and have them visit us often as well.

And on the surface, yes, we are very alike. Similar interests and hobbies, that sort of thing. We should have been good friends.

Instead MIL, supported by FIL, has strangled every relationship she has with people, including her relationship with me.

There were so many things that they did but MommyBird has said a good deal of it.

She's spread lies about me (and her other DIL) and played one part of the family off against the other. DH and his siblings have fallen out frequently over things she's told them about us (usually me) or us about them (usually her other DIL). One BIL once sent DH a stream of abusive texts calling me a 'fucking mental bitch' because she had made up lies about me.

She's told total strangers my medical information. These are things we couldn't help but have her know, not things I could have kept private and chosen not to tell her. We had a stillborn baby and MIL chose to ask me, three days after his birth, if it still hurts to give birth if your baby is already dead.

And then in my next pregnancy I was badly injured in a car accident and my baby was born prematurely and died as a result. MIL had a friend who was a midwife and told her we had lost the baby but not why, then decided that the most appropriate thing to say to me the first time she saw me after our daughter died was "we know what's wrong with you" because he midwife friend had diagnosed me with pre-eclampsia. They then threw away our photo's of our daughter and asked if she was born with all her face or with bits missing.

Told us our children were not "proper grandchildren' because they had died. Threw a tantrum at our son's funeral because DH was "being miserable" and they were offended that he sounded unhappy when they spoke to him on the phone the night before.

And yes, tantrums if not getting her own way. Tears, weeping, nasty comments, lies spread around the family, telephone calls fifteen or twenty times in an hour, messages that are just weeping, FIL ringing up to shout, both BILs ringing to shout at DH, SIL (DH's sister rather that the other DIL) ringing up to ask us to sort it out, more tears, lots of "you must think I'm a terrible person but I don't know what I've done. Why do you hate me, how can you do this to me, I've tried and tried with you, what can I do now, I don't know what's wrong, you all hate me." All because MIL wasn't getting her own way about something.

And then in the background, spiteful messages, half-truths, outright lies, guilt trips. Harassment like you wouldn't believe. Disowning DH one minute then claiming it never happened the next. Following me in the street, almost running me over with DS in his pram beside me. Sitting outside the house in their car day and night, never leaving us alone for a minute, trying to make DH leave me for a woman who wouldn't give birth to dead children. Trying to split us up so they could try and get access to DS through DH without me in the way. A barrage of texts and messages, half of them claiming to want to make things up and the other blaming me for everything and calling me names. Making threats to track us down and force me to do as I was told.

DH grew up all his life being told that if he ever, ever said no to her about anything she would have a mental breakdown and it would be his fault.

DS and I are NC now, DH sees them infrequently and with various results. They are toxic to the extreme but if you asked them their side of the story I suspect they would pass a Jeremy Kyle lie detector with flying colours, so convinced are they that they have never and would never do anything like the things I have described.

They made me ill, I started having panic attacks and felt frightened to leave the house. I still carry an attack alarm in case I meet them in the street. I'm dreading this Christmas, in the same way I dread every Christmas, because they will be alone for it and I know they are going to start on DH to 'make' me do as they say and let them visit.

BIL and SIL emigrated in part because SIL couldn't take the behaviour anymore and BIL wouldn't stand up to them in the way DH and I did. He actually left a fiancé years before, just before he met SIL, because she tried to stand up to MIL's controlling ways and he couldn't do it.

MIL was 47 when I met her, FIL was 49. They are both in their sixties now but even when we first met it was the fallback position in the family to excuse their behaviour as "thinking before they speak" and "too old to change now." I don't think so. By the time I met them MIL had already driven away her own brother and blamed her SIL for it.

They'd driven away most of their friends as well. They are very good at making new ones, very bad at keeping them for longer than a few months. They are nasty, spiteful, selfish, miserable, manipulative people and wether their cruelty to me was casual or deliberate, I tried for almost ten years to let it go and maintain a relationship with them before it became impossible.

If I ever do to my future DIL what my MIL has done to me and her other DIL, I wouldn't expect anything less of DS than that he cut me out too. I'd deserve it.

TheNewStatesman · 17/11/2014 02:54

I've known some nice DILs with awful MILs, and some awful DILs with nice MILs (and of course, situations where both were nice people). Depends on the situation.

I will say this, though: "difficult" MILs and "difficult" DILs very often seem to find each other--perhaps because a man will very often marry a woman who has some personality traits in common with his own mother. So when I hear of a crappy MIL/DIL relationship, I am not surprised if it turns out that there is some idiotic behavior on both sides.

whatsbehindthegreendoor · 17/11/2014 06:51

The problem is, I think, that when you're the mother of a son once they get married, it's almost expected that you're supposed to give up any sort of close relationship with them.
I only have one son and I am dreading the moment a woman comes on the scene who will only want him to see me when she deems it ok to do so!
It may not happen (I sincerely hope not!) but after reading so many threads on here it seems that mothers of sons have to just accept that their role is over once their son meets somebody. Doesn't seem very fair really when you've bought them up! I guess it's just different for mums of boys!

Mehitabel6 · 17/11/2014 07:20

I don't think so at all whatsbehindthe greenwood (except on MN).
In my experience it is like TheNewStatesman says - although sadly there are exceptions in both sides. I find that my son's girlfriends are very family orientated, so easily see the importance of other families than their own, and are very similar to me.
The secret is to make friends first and not see them and speak to them through your son. Go out with them alone, chat to them alone, phone them up- like you would any friend.
The problem to me seems to be that they have never been friends and suddenly there are children, they are thrown together with a woman that they have never bothered to know and have just tolerated.
Whenever there are threads about preferred gender of children you get people wanting girls for 'that special mother and daughter' relationship. No one ever points out that mother and son relationships are very special. I can only think that is because the woman doesn't want her DH to have a special relationship with his mother. Perhaps they are insecure.

500Decibels · 17/11/2014 07:47

Sometimes it is the dil no matter how much effort mils make. I see this in my own family.
My mum has two dils. One is lovely and one is horrible.
The horrible one tries her best to alienate my db from the family. My mum never interferes so she gets away with it and is succeeding.
She ll do things like for example, when it was my nieces birthday, she ll take her to her own parents and when we call or text to wish her happy birthday, she says 'oh she had a lovely birthday with all her family. My parents got a cake and my sister came down with her kids so she had fun with all her cousins too'
Trying to make the point that we in laws and our kids don't count as family.
There's no back story. She's just been like that from day one. She's just insecure and not a nice person really.

Mehitabel6 · 17/11/2014 07:52

Unfortunately there are women who think they are getting a man without parents, cousins, aunts, grandparents , old family friends etc etc etc

Iristutu · 17/11/2014 07:57

Sometimes ils are just a pain though aren't they? My DH parents were very clear that they didn't want my Dh to marry me. Gave a nice long list of why we were unsuitable!!
Then they decided it would be ok to try to interfer with our upbringing of the children. The big problem was that they didn't treat him like an adult able to make his own choices.

I've learnt a lot from them on how not to treat any future family members or friends the childrenay choose. I will never forgive them as I can never feel they actually like me as they were openly hostile to me.

Mehitabel6 · 17/11/2014 08:17

Being a parent is the one job where the aim is to make yourself redundant! Some mother's won't cut the apron strings and men, in particular, often won't be brutal and do it themselves. You see posters on here who think they can decide what their child hears and thinks. If you allow discussion and different opinions from the start you are not going to have a situation where the parents think they can have control over choice of partner.
You accept the choice and make it work.( if you can)

Sallystyle · 17/11/2014 08:29

My mil got her other son to have a talk with my dh to try to convince him to leave me before it got serious. She didn't want us to be together because I had three children from a previous marriage. I understood her concerns but not the underhand way she tried to get him to leave me.

The final straw was 6 years later when she treated those three children so very different to her bio grandchildren. I remember the day my youngest son went to cuddle her and she stood up to stop him and then grabbed hold of her bio granddaughter instead. They can't remember a life without her in it as they were tiny, so for them it hurt. There was a massive difference in how she treated them, she never even tried to pretend.

We see her now when she picks up our two dd's and she has a coffee and we text occasionally and she comes over for birthdays etc but it is all very polite and strained. I think she has changed quite a bit now but the damage has been done. I can't forgive her for that, or the way she treated me when I fell pregnant on the IUD. She wrote me a long list of things I need to change if I was to go ahead with the pregnancy. I called her in tears when I found out I was pregnant and asked her for some support and all she gave me was judgments and some very nasty words. While it wasn't ideal for me to have another child it was hardly my fault it happened, and it turned out to be the best surprise ever, she is 6 now and I am so very glad it happened.

The only fault of mine in the whole situation was being too nice and stupidly soft. She took advantage of that.

Bunbaker · 17/11/2014 08:42

"Unfortunately there are women who think they are getting a man without parents, cousins, aunts, grandparents , old family friends etc etc etc"

This ^^. When you marry someone you take on their family as well.

rosdearg · 17/11/2014 09:06

Traditional family life is a patriarchal institution which uses women's labour to the benefit of others. Within this they work very hard for little reward and no status. Many MILs would have had no direct access to money, low status in the community, endless work at other people's convenience, heavy work load and little or no support (no help with nights with babies, housework falling to them 24 / 7, men nipping out to the pub on Christmas day while the woman of the house works from 6am to bed time - all this was absolutely standard)

It may be the case that after a lifetime of this, MILs feel short-changed by finding that the next generation of women expect more from life, expect to keep their dignity and autonomy whether they marry or not, expect their husbands to recognise and support and take part in the work of the house and are not subservient. The MIL may feel that the one person who is lower in the pecking order, whom she might have legitimately pushed around as she had been pushed around her whole adult life - the one person who might bring her a cup of tea while she puts her feet up - is reneging on the deal.

This may cause resentment.

TheWordFactory · 17/11/2014 09:13

I don't know OP.

Many women if the previous generation have not had the lives we have had, the opportunities we have had.

They are the product of their (sexist) times.

Unsurprising then, that they find it difficult to embrace the mores of the younger generation and behave in a way that is now deemed unacceptable.

peachmelbourne · 17/11/2014 09:39

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Callani · 17/11/2014 09:50

I think the problem is that I get blamed for things MIL doesn't like, and DH gets the credit for things she does like even though this mostly isn't the case.

I think a lot of DIL - MIL relationships follow this pattern, and it's quite natural to want to have a positive relationship with the person closer to you, even if you have to blame their bad behaviour on a third party.