To think that the new SNP leader just pledged to ignore the will of the majority of Scottish people?

[RudeBarbandCustard]

Forgive me if I'm being naive - I may well be.

But Nicola Sturgeon pledging to continue to fight for Scottish independence is essentially a pledge to fight against the majority of the Scottish people's democratically expressed wishes?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-30011423

I mean, it couldn't be clearer. The majority of Scottish people voted No. So she's essentially saying "Hey, majority of Scotland - I'm going to ignore what you voted for in a democratic process, and fight for the opposite!".

It smacks of arrogance, and a complete disregard for what people voted for!

I may be missing something though, but it's intriguing and bugging me so I'd be interested to hear what others think.

Sorry, cross posts.

If that question was directed to me, then no, I didn't submit to the Smith Commission - I was commenting on the assumption that no voters don't do anything and are apathetic. As someone who cares very much about issues like poverty and social justice, it does sting a bit to be accused of not caring.

For myself, my time is limited - I'm a single mother who works full time and has very little practical support so things like volunteering/campaign are difficult. I do what I can, which admittedly is not a huge amount.

I submitted to the Smith Commission. And it wasn't to leave everything as it is now.

No it's no competitive caring about Scotland, the Smith submission opportunity was so small but important as it was a chance to shape the changes.

I want changes, I'm not happy with the way things are. Independence was for me the way to start making things better. We lost that chance, I accept that but it doesn't mean my appetite for change has vanished.

This is interesting:

www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/we-asked-14-snp-supporters-why-they-lost-the-independence-re

Numbers 1 & 2 are sensible, the rest.... well see for yourselves.

I particularly enjoyed the irony of #5

Small as in the time frame for submissions.

I suppose i just struggle with the no voters I see and hear who seem happy to go back in their box. Say 'phew' and go back to business. That's lazy.

Why did you ask whether a No voter (in the context of your post about apathetic No voters) had submitted to the Smith commission?

I wish that the SNP would accept that loss of chance and continue to push for change, as opposed to another referendum. Perhaps that might be something for the Yes campaign to take forward.

I suppose i just struggle with the no voters I see and hear who seem happy to go back in their box. Say 'phew' and go back to business. That's lazy.

It's lazy if you want change but can't be bothered to do anything about it.

Has it occurred to you that some no voters are happy to go back in their box because they are happy with their box? Are they wrong to be happy with what they've got, just because it's not what you want?

Voting no wasn't for the status quo and I couldn't believe the amount of people that felt it was.

We've made our decision. Scotland said no. Let's pull back and focus on making sure we're better together after all.

Independence is still my ultimate goal, I'd love to see it realised in the future will really go some way to determine the result of any future referendum.

Hilarious!

I voted No because I feel British and want to stay that way. I think the SNP have governed well in their two terms and I will vote for them again at the next Scottish Parliament election. Most people I know feel the same. I live in Perth & Kinross. SNP MSP, SNP MP and No vote in the Indy ref in P&K.

Love it Rude. Only 2 shared the insight of the majority.

Voting no wasn't for the status quo

How do you know it wasn't for the status quo? Many people here have said that the last minute promises by BT did not sway their vote, they were always going to vote no.

and I couldn't believe the amount of people that felt it was

Well there you go - many people felt it was. Their choice. Don't accuse them of being lazy for not trying to change something they didn't want to change in the first place.

Has it occurred to you that some no voters are happy to go back in their box because they arehappywith their box? Are they wrong to be happy with what they've got, just because it's not what you want

How can you be happy in your box with poverty, inequality, depravation, environmental issues, poor attainment. ..

I'd love to hear. Genuinely. Because that's what I don't get. Are you actually happy with all thhese issues or do you just not allow yourself to see them? If it's the latter then that is lazy.

Yes hats off to the first 2 people on that Buzzfeed poll.

They lost, they understand that they may be partly to blame for that, and they'll be the ones who can be forward thinking enough to think of ways to improve their party.

The rest of them throwing the blame at everyone else but themselves... well that's not going to be very productive is it. Good luck to them.

How do you know it wasn't for the status quo

Because there's no such thing in politics.

Star will you vote for the SNP if they put another referendum in their manifesto?

Because the SNP could not show, despite having been in Govt for 7 years and pushing for independence for years, how they were going to improve things under independence, with the resources that they had available. They couldn't - because they couldn't.

LovelyRita

Firstly, I don't live in Scotland.

Secondly, I don't know how people feel, but if that's how they feel it's up to them.

No, I'm not happy with the current UK government. Not at all, and I hope we can change things for the better.

But I don't believe that independence would have suddenly solved all the problems of poverty, inequality, depravation, environmental issues, poor attainment for Scotland.

And the Yes campaign evidently failed to convince the majority that it would either.

Another X post with SirChenjin you're much more eloquent than I am though!

You're telling me how people feel

For what it's worth - I think if the Yes campaign could have proved how they would improve the situation under independence, they would have won in a landslide.

So either they had a spectacular failure to demonstrate the truth of something they know to be achievable...

Or it's not achievable.

Either way .. they didn't instill much confidence in their ability to govern a brand new country.

"How do you know it wasn't for the status quo? Many people here have said that the last minute promises by BT did not sway their vote, they were always going to vote no."

Because the status quo wasn't an option on the ballot paper, it was yes for independence or no for more powers.

The status quo of remaining British.

Scottish Highers are turning into learning by rote continual tests, rather than a means of teaching a good understanding of subjects and an ability to think and critically analyse.

I do a bit of work on the N5 and Higher material (not for the SQA) and it looks the same to me as it ever did.

LovelyRita am I?

If you're referring to my comment:

and I couldn't believe the amount of people that felt it was

Well there you go - many people felt it was. Their choice

I was simply referring to your own comment - you said you can't believe the amount of people that felt it was for the status quo.

If I have inferred other people's feelings elsewhere, I'm genuinely sorry. I can't stand people assuming they know how others feel. And as I said, I don't live in Scotland.

I started this thread to try and understand some of the issues better, and because frankly I was pretty het up about Nicola Sturgeon's statement yesterday.

I didn't start it for an argument on something I know very little about.

It wouldn't have been a brand new country!

My goodness...

More powers wasn't on the ballot papers either but was promised after the first votes had been cast. Vote no for more powers. That should never have been allowed, very dodgy territory.