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Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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DuelingFanjo · 11/11/2014 11:04

seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

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foreverdepressed · 11/11/2014 15:10

lem73

Playing devil's advocate for a moment here,does he not maintain his innocence and intend to launch some kind of appeal? That makes it impossible for him to show remorse or 'accept the verdict'. And you never know, perhaps he was wrongfully convicted.

Viviennemary
I agree. This is just one of many examples in which we are having trial by twitter lately, it is a slippery slope. By all means make sentences longer and prisons tougher but once someone is out they generally should be allowed to get on with life.

pissinmy2shoes · 11/11/2014 15:11

didn't he serve 2 1/2 years of a 5 year sentence?
has he shown remorse?
isn't he now on the sex offenders list?

yet he will be allowed to play a game.
crazy

TheGirlFromIpanema · 11/11/2014 15:12

Have you voiced concern to the club Princess as a blade your voice matters.

It's not really NIMBYism tbh. That implies something far less sinister. You are well within your rights to not want himto ever step foot inside the club again imo. Of course you don't want dd to hear the chanting that would inevitably occur!

TheGirlFromIpanema · 11/11/2014 15:13

Forever this is NOT trial by twitter Hmm

He had his trial He was convicted.

Hth.

PrincessOfChina · 11/11/2014 15:14

I have today emailed and tweeted asking for an explanation. I believe a Club Statement is due imminently.

I think the reason it's NIMBY-ism is I wouldn't feel anywhere near as strongly if it wasn't my club. Let him play for someone else, just not my team.

QueenTilly · 11/11/2014 15:19

The convicted rapist, Ched Evans, is not being treated worse than other criminals, on account of his career. He is being treated a great deal better.

You are required to declare unspent criminal convictions and having any to declare is a serious thing. Unlike Evans, for the ordinary man in the street there are many, many, many applicants chasing the same job. Binning all applications from people with unspent convictions is the easiest first stage.

PuffinsAreFicticious · 11/11/2014 15:20

Do I think Ched Evans, unrepentant rapist should be playing football for SUFC? No. Do I think that anyone convicted of a serious crime should be playing sport or be doing anything in the public eye? No. So bringing up other people's criminal convictions as a defence for Evan's reinstatement is a complete red herring.

I do find it interesting that the same people (not anyone on this thread) who are saying, "Awwww, poor rapist Ched, you're all mean and jealous and feminazis, he's done his time and should be allowed to carry on his life as it was before" are the same type of people who wouldn't accept the same argument in favour of, say, Rolf Harris returning to our screens once he's completed however much of his sentence he has to before his release on licence. I wonder why that is? Is it because those people don't really care about violence against women?

They also seem to be the same people who think that men accused of rape should be granted anonymity, because it ruins their lives. A belief now blown out of the water by recent events, and not just the rapist Ched Evans.

FreudiansSlipper · 11/11/2014 15:22

he severed half of his sentence

has never apologised for the pain he has caused his victim

his family are hounding his victim and using their influence and money to do so all of which he is agreement with

should this be someone who represents a team and a country

QueenTilly · 11/11/2014 15:23

I want to know whence this idea came that it is normal for people with criminal convictions to just walk back into normal life.

spence82 · 11/11/2014 15:23

Puffins I get your point but is it just sex crimes that mean people shouldn't be in the public eye or in well paid jobs?

Cherly Cole was guilty of assualt and has had a much better career than ched ever will and made much more money. She is also a bigger role model to kids than ched is

PuffinsAreFicticious · 11/11/2014 15:32

Yes, I agree, violent criminals shouldn't be in the public eye. Sorry that wasn't clear in my original post.

TheGirlFromIpanema · 11/11/2014 15:32

Someone on this thread did say there was an element of envy to all this though Shock

Even on MN!

It is pervasive and nasty.

YY QueenTilly all those saying he would go back to work if he was a mechanic! NO he wouldn't. He is being treated better than your average released rapist by his former employers imo.

chockbic · 11/11/2014 15:33

What about his victim? How is she meant to rebuild her life?

I will reserve my sympathy for her and the awful consequences she is facing.

OldDaddy · 11/11/2014 15:39

Take away the utter and despicable little scrote he is but do criminals not have a right to return to their jobs? What about a banker who kills someone by drunk driving?

spence82 · 11/11/2014 15:39

If we don't allow criminals to go back to work then what do we do with them?

MissPenelopeLumawoo2 · 11/11/2014 15:39

For about the millionth time he hasn't served his sentence. He has served half his sentence and is out on licence.

TheGirlFromIpanema · 11/11/2014 15:43

I wouldn't have employed Cheryl Cole, No!

But

Ched the rapist carefully planned out a sexual attack on a woman which lasted for some time. He was convicted to significant time spent in prison for his crime.

Cheryl was convicted of a (racially motivated?) non pre mediatated, non sexual attack that happened 'in a moment'. She served no prison time (iirc - but not sure) and was all over the place saying how sorry she was and apologising to her victim.

But she showed remorse, even if only pay lip service at the time. The two incidents are entirely incomparable!

UptheHammers1 · 11/11/2014 15:46

Misspenelope.... Whether he has served his sentence or out on license, he is still eligible to work. What's your point?

spence82 · 11/11/2014 15:49

I'm not saying they are comparable in terms of severity I was just making a point to a poster up thread

PuffinsAreFicticious · 11/11/2014 15:50

spence.... I'm not saying they shouldn't be employed, I'm saying they shouldn't be employed in the public eye.

On the whole, and in my experience, a banker who wiped out a family while drink driving also wouldn't get their job back. Nor would anyone in a position of responsibility.

I wonder why people have such a vested interest in seeing a convicted and unrepentant rapist on a football pitch?

lem73 · 11/11/2014 15:51

Forever I think they only way a person can accept his lack of remorse is if they believe that he is the victim of a miscarriage of justice. Does anyone in this discussion believe that he is actually not guilty? I believe a court of law found him guilty and there is no reason to think they made a mistake. Therefore I believe it is reasonable to expect him to show remorse for what he did. If he can't then he hasn't been rehabilitated.

QueenTilly · 11/11/2014 15:51

People have never, ever, ever had a right to return to their jobs post-sentence.

spence82 What we do we do? Well, currently we legally require them to declare their convictions for all forms of employment for a certain time-frame and bar them from working in some professions for ever.

The odd thing is that it was acknowledged by the government this very year that having a criminal conviction disadvantages you in the employment market. Although many people seem not to know about that.

Critics are likely to argue it could prevent employers from gaining an accurate picture of prospective staff.

But justice minister Simon Hughes said the change would be a vital support for people who want to turn their back on crime and rebuild their lives.

“This is the biggest change to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act since the current system began in the Seventies,” he said.

“The aim is to ensure that people who made a mistake early in life are not punished indefinitely and are given the chance to contribute to society by getting an honest job and putting their offending behind them.

[...]

Offenders sentenced to between six and 30 months will see the period during which they must declare their conviction fall from 10 to four years. Those jailed for between 30 months and four years, who were previously required to disclose the offence throughout their lifetime, will now only have to reveal it for seven years. Offenders given non-custodial sentences will also see the disclosure period reduced.

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/convicts-will-not-need-to-confess-criminal-past-to-employers-9125757.html

LineRunner · 11/11/2014 15:54

I always thought that early release was dependent upon remorse and good behaviour, not lack of remorse and hounding of the victim.

AnyFucker · 11/11/2014 15:56

That doesn't apply for people who kick a football for a living. Bloody hell, LR, get with it ! Wink

QueenTilly · 11/11/2014 15:57

The convicted rapist, Ched Evans, is now, assuming the reforms apply to him, already in a better position than someone I knew who had to declare her shoplifting convictions for ten years from the day she was released. Guess how many jobs she got in that time? The answer is zero.