Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

What is the latest state of play on this?

I think SUFC want him back because he was, and may still be, an effective player for them?

I also suspect there is resentment to the campaign against him and them - like: 'everyone hates us but we don't care.'

I'm not aware that Millwall or the News of the World, who regularly used this chant, had any convicted rapists on board.

I think SU are holding off in case he gets a successful appeal. Pathetic really. Say no now and review if there's a successful appeal/review.

Apparently his associates are touting him around other clubs - Tranmere rovers turned him down as they are trying to promote themselves as a family club.

I wonder if he's got his future FIL touting him about.

Somebody told me the rumour is that there are a few clubs interested. But they are probably foreign ones where he isn't as notorious as he is here. After all this publicity I can't see any club in the UK signing him. IMHO of course.

Well Chunderella if you are right, if he denied himself whatever pleasure he might have got from ejaculating into the body of an unresponsive and drunken woman to avoid making her pregnant on top of all the other injuries he'd done to her - I would even give him some small degree of credit. It still doesn't mean that he less unfit for the company of decent people, male or female, or that any club which does not want to stink in the nostrils of decent people should think of hiring him. And if his gf had an ounce of commons sense she and her family would still show him the door.

Indeed Chunderella. Shakespeare again:

His life hath ahd some smatch of honour in it.

But I don't think not getting her pregnant would be for her sake, it'd be self preservation.

Binary Who can say? Probably both in some proportion which we cannot know.

I just don't think a rapist would think 'ooh, best not get her pregnant as that would mess her life up'

Far more likely to be trying to leave less evidence behind of what he did.

Binary I'm probably slightly better equipped to guess what a rapist might think than you - and I have no idea. It's possible that there was a mixture of motives and that is the best that can be said for him, and that's not much.

I was thinking - woudknt it be great if a high profile footballer or ex-footballer like say, David Beckham, came out in condemnation of the rapist Ched Evans' actions and those if his family and friends in harassing his victim? Shame it'll never happen...

I agree, there should be far more visible & audible condemnation of him & his criminal actions coming from within the football world. But, it's hardly a bastion of great moral standing which is a big part of the problem - the Malky Mackay debacle is also indicative of the level of 'understanding' & 'redemption' that applies to highly questionable attitudes within football. He's not been convicted of anything criminal but he's a nasty racist/sexist/homophobic arsehole who just got a new job. There are plenty of examples that have been given throughout this debate of other convicted criminals too, and it seems any decent people that exist within football are either drowned out or simply don't want the hassle of being the one to come out and take a stand. There is also the fact that what CE & CM did is typical behaviour of many young (and maybe some old) footballers up & down the country. The fact that few others have been charged, never mind convicted, simply suggests they have all been lucky to get away with morally (and some legally) reprehensible behaviour & treatment of other women. There have been other cases of 'roastings' that were investigated by the police but never resulted in charges, and I don't for a second believe that they were all fully consensual situations, just that the burden of proof to take the cases forward fell short. There are plenty of women who have been used & abused by footballers, but who have likely not come forward for many understandable reasons.

The fact is football is, and has been for some time, morally bankrupt & the chances of anyone from within any official organisations taking a stand against the likes of CE & his actions are slim to none. Even with the moral minefield CE's case has created, they aren't taking steps to address the potential future CEs so that there is a clear line that when crossed there is no going back for any convicted rapist footballers. That to me just sums up how fucked up the world of football actually is. They are happy to leave the door open for any future convicted rapists because there's a chance one could be a really good footballer & they wouldn't want to lose that talent would they?

According to the dm CE is thinking of quitting football and setting up a painting and decorating business

Anyone want a convicted rapist decorating their house?

According to the dm

That's evidence against.

Not really purple.

Haven't really followed the case that closely, but why wasn't the other guy with him convicted as well. Is it because she initially went to the hotel with him?

Morelli

The jury do not disclose their deliberations so we don't know. Speculating - the jury may have felt that they weren't sure beyond reasonable doubt that CM believed he had consent, because of the different circumstances preceding consent.

Sorry that sentence wasn't clear.

Reasonable belief In consent is a defence to the charge of rape; the jury may have felt the prosecution did not prove beyond reasonable doubt that CM didn't have such a belief.

CM may have been fortunate; but there it is, he was acquitted. CE had no real chance (and deserved none) on his own evidence and would have done better to have pleaded guilty; he would have got three-eight and served a maximum of one-ten; probably less because he would have got some HDC if he had gone guilty. Please note that I am not saying that that would have been right - only that it would have happened.

As for painter and decorator. The fact is that most rapists now get a determinate sentence and therefore a fixed time on licence. When that time expires they are free to go into any line of work, get their passports, whatever.

They may be subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order which forbids them doing certain things and that can be for longer than their licence. At one time men convicted of downloading child-porn were sometimes forbidden to have an internet connection - but since SOPOs must not prevent ordinary life the usual order is that they must not have software which covers their tracks.

So a rapist who had been a decorator and raped a customer might be forbidden from going into that line of work.

Sorry, I'm rambling. The point is that the point will come when any released rapist is free to set up as a decorator and the only difference about CE is that his face has been all over the media - and he will age and the memory will fade.

I wonder if the girlfriend's father would be quite so keen to defend the rapist if he were not a moderately well known footballer? Something tells me that if he were unknown and unemployed when all this blew up the father would have strongly encouraged her to get rid.

Icimoi How can you be so cynical?

It's interesting that this story is now emerging i.e. that he did a painting & decorating course while in prison. Yet on his release there has been much debate about him being prevented from being able to return to 'his trade' all the while knowing full well he's trained in another, low profile/less lucrative trade in preparation for his release. Its somewhat ironic that, had he just kept his head down, not engaged in a huge media campaign to try & chase the 'big bucks' on release, he'd have had a reasonable chance of actually working in a trade he'd retrained for - Id personally not employ him but quietly going back to a life not touted in the media would have been a much better option for him in his rehabilitation & attempt to be gainfully employed again. The whole sorry mess he & his equally dim supporters have created on his release (which has caused untold additional suffering on his victim) has actually made the likelihood of him working in his 'new trade' very difficult. Plenty more people are now aware of the rapist Ched Evans than would have been had he just accepted his guilt/sentence/responsibility for his criminal actions & actually embraced rehabilitation. Epic fail all round on 'team ched'.

So how do I know a decorator/plumber/electrician whatever coming into my house isn't a convicted rapist? That thought is f*cking scary!