Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

[DuelingFanjo]

seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

Question: if this next application for appeal gets thrown out, is that it? Does he have any options left?

There's no limit on the number of applications he can make for review. But he shouldn't do it unless he has meaningful reasons for thinking the original case was badly conducted or the original evidence badly gathered.

Oh dammit really? I thought he might get 3 go's or something and then he would have to STFU and crawl back under whichever rock he came out from. Still hopefully after this one he won't try again?

He would be badly advised by his lawyer to try again.

However, I don't think he listens to his lawyer.

There is a limit to the number of actual appeals, I think, but he's never got that far. Only had reviews and appeal requests declined.

Ah yes, like the bit on the website where it says that he turned his taxi around because 'he was curious to find out who the girl was that Clayton was with'. Riiiiiiiggghhhhht.

Please stay off his website. It may be one of those whch is booby-trapped to count every visitor and add them to the number of supporters.

'Unbelievable' is absolutely right, Chunderella.

Andrew, his 'supporters' are doing him more harm than good anyway by failing to make him face up to what he did. But I take your point about them blithely faking his 'popularity'.

That website may as well be called 'Delusions of a Rapist' if you ask me.

As if, given that he called CM, he wouldn't have said "oh, what's her name, anyone I know?" Or similar...

I mean, even if they were have a drink and chat at the hotel bar vending machine, CM would hardly have been expected to welcome three of his mates turning up.

Except in the bizarro world of CE.

LineRunner I am content to believe you. I have not seen his website and I'm not going to.

He has already tried to have the sentence reduced, presumably to avoid the sex offender's register. He is clearly a very nasty man.

Interesting that he claims to have no memory of the taxi ride to the hotel or phone call but is so certain about events once he reaches the hotel.

So he's allowed memory loss but his victim isn't?

He must have been banking on getting a jury as thick as him. I also think he thinks he's so special because he kicks a ball for a living so can't believe he's not got away with it. He's more famous for being a rapist than a footballer.

I expect he thought the jury would think the victim was lucky to have such an opportunity with two footballers. Afterall, didn't he say in his police interview that that's what women (he may have said 'girls') like- footballers with money?

Deluded man.

"Interesting that he claims to have no memory of the taxi ride to the hotel or phone call "

yes, I wonder if he felt it was better to deliberately forget what he said in that phone call, in case he was questioned on it and messed up even further.

I do believe, even more than before, that he went to the hotel full of intent to have sex with whoever was there and in whatever state they were in.

Also - why did Clayton MacDonald leave? When the hotel room was for him, due to lack of space. Did CM meet CE outside the hotel after he had gone down the fire escape? Was his brother and friend still there? Did they travel back to CE's mother's house together...

All this stuff surely was important to the trial. I dread to think what else may have happened.

Yes, where did Clayton go when he left? Where did he spend the rest of the night? The hotel room was clearly a shag bunker for the pair of them (CM and CE).

And why did CE feel the need to get a keycard? Why not knock on the door? Presumably because he wanted to walk in on what was happening, not have it stop for CM to open the door. He fully intended to join in, regardless of who was in there with CM or what state they were in. And he wanted to give the woman in there no opportunity to stop what was happening. IMO.

even if they were have a drink and chat at the hotel bar vending machine, CM would hardly have been expected to welcome three of his mates turning up. Except in the bizarro world of CE.

That's a good point yonicscrewdriver.

Even though I don't believe Evans, there are bits of his story that I kind of gloss over until the strangeness is pointed out to me.

And that's another one. What man would welcome his mates turning up to play gooseberries when he was in with a chance with a girl? Most men would be shooting daggers at their friends.

But as you say, not in the bizarro world of Ched and his mates.

More and more I'm convinced that the jury decided to give Clayton McDonald the benefit of the doubt but decided that Evans's tale did not add up at all.

What scares me is just how completely accepting cm was of ched turning up and joining in, with the brother and friend filming from outside the room. Makes me wonder if this is their usual M.O. Are there other victims out there?

I think they'd done it before BinarySolo.

I was reading comments on another site and there was one from someone who said he was a male football fan - he may have been a Sheffield Utd fan, I forget - he said that he could understand the argument that Evans may have cheated on his girlfriend rather than raped the other woman, but he couldn't get his head round Evans's claim that this was the first time he'd cheated and yet he'd leapt straight into a threesome scenario.

He thought that was a bit advanced for a first time offence.

I've no idea, but I would take on board the experience of a man who presumably has cheated on his wife or girlfriend.

I also agree with duellingfanjo. Why did Clayton McDonald leave and where did he go and how did he know how long to wait for Evans to finish his fuck?

I've slept on a floor after a party with 10 other people. I didn't like it, not because I thought I was going to be raped, but because I'm very prissy about snoring and farting in my sleep in a roomful of strangers and waking up with panda eyes. I find it quite difficult to believe that the average man would feel that shame.

And apparently Evans's mum's house has six bedrooms.

That makes would make his families behaviour so much worse. They know cm slept elsewhere that night so presumably wherever he stayed had always been an option so what was this charade of a hotel room about?

Was the 'got a bird' text actually an invitation to join in?

I also wonder if the cps had had reports of similar scenarios involving Evans in the past where there wasn't enough evidence to bring a prosecution.

I find it odd because my experience on a singles night out is: 'All back to mine.'

Maybe the CPS did have knowledge of prior behaviour. I don't know how it works but I think that if they did they would be unable to bring it up except in the most exceptional of circumstances.

It's probably not worth considering.

But they clearly believed that she had been raped and believed there was a reasonable prospect of conviction. I think that was very bold of them, considering it wasn't the most cut and dried of rape cases.

That's also why I think the jury got it right in the case of the rapist Ched Evans.

I'm leaving aside the case of Clayton McDonald.

The one thing that always sticks out to me when I read all these neanderthals on Twitter and the like (who say that it wasn't rape because she can't remember or that she has accused him of rape having changed her mind - She didn't - it was the police) is that it was Ched Evans himself who admitted that there had been sexual contact, that it was a threesome, that this is what girls want from footballers ... all without knowing that his victim hadn't actually accused him of anything. Thank goodness that neither Clayton nor Ched was aware of this because they could very easily have lied their way out of it by saying there had been no 'sex' at all.

Interesting too that his brotehr (and friend?) got a grilling about it before Ched Evans was spoken to. Presumably the video they took was still on the phone (I heard that it had been posted online but that may just be hearsay) and although the quality was bad I imagine it gave the police some idea of what the intent was.

It's pretty horrific when you think about what that got a girl text actually meant. I do understand that, taken on its own, it could be argued to mean 'I've pulled so don't be ringing me and don't expect to see me tomorrow morning'. Reasonable doubt etc. In context, though, very obvious.

Yes, to any normal bloke (ie. not a rapist) that text would mean 'wahey, I've pulled, see you in the morning!'. The fact that Evans did not read it this way tells us many, many things.

I don't actually know if CM meant the text as an invitation or not, but again the scenario with normal blokes would be: mate walks into hotel room where the other is having sex - the bloke having sex jumps up and goes 'oi mate, what the fuck are you doing?!' Again, not the case here.

Was there a phone call in the taxi as well then? I have never seen that mentioned before, I assumed that he turned his taxi round on the text. Also, were his brother and mate in the taxi with him then? I did wonder how the came to know about the whole thing. Again, going to the window to film your brother and mate having sex with a random drunk girl you have never met = not normal behaviour.

And yes, interesting that CM had booked the room, but then they went back home anyway.

The more I read and think about the case the more it becomes completely obvious what happened here was - these guys are the very definition of sexual predator. I can totally see why the jury came to the decision they did. It's a shame that so many people have written this off as 'pissed girl went back with two footballers, its her word against theirs' when its just not what happened here.

When she was on 'This Morning' Kylie Evans said that she heard all he evidence in court and they were sure he would get off. They also say that Ched played the best season of his life while waiting for the trial. These people a) are completely arrogant and b) don't actually realise that wha he did was rape.

I wonder how confident his lawyers were at the beginning that he would be found not guilty? I mean the police and CPS must have been pretty confident about getting a conviction otherwise they wouldn't have taken it that far would they?

Mammoth post!