Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

He said that he left by the fire exit a) because it was the nearest exit (out of a hotel room?!) and b) because he was embarrassed to pass the night porter again so soon after entering the room.

The being worried about his girlfriend ringing him was the reason he stopped havin sex with his victim. That's right - having gone to the bother of turning his taxi around and lying to get a room key in order to have sex with a woman he had never met before, it was only once he was mid sex that he actually thought of his girlfriend and so stopped out of guilt. Even though apparently the woman he was having sex with was really enthusiastic and consenting and everyone was having a good time.........

In fact, she was so enthusiastic that CM told the night porter to keep an eye on her because she was 'ill'.

Because we all know that women who are so drunk they are ill are the hottest.

Mr Philpotts asked: "What was the hurry to leave?" St Asaph-born Evans said: "Because I didn't want to be in the room in case my girlfriend rang me."

Even if his story was true, it's so horribly sordid that he comes across as a sleazy, grubby little cheater anyway. And his behaviour and his family's behaviour since has been just vile.

Even if he is granted appeal and proved beyond all doubt to be innocent, I'd still have a very low opinion of him.

He's a liar and a rapist. The fact it took place in a hotel room makes it no less sordid.

Oh and I found this.

March 17, 2009 Tuesday

BBC APOLOGY OVER SOCCER RAPE REMARK

BYLINE: DAILY MAIL REPORTER

LENGTH: 224 words

THE BBC apologised yesterday after a Match of the Day pundit likened a tackle in a Premiership match to rape.

Former West Ham United manager Alan Pardew, 47, was condemned by women's groups for trivialising sexual violence.

He had been analysing a tackle by Chelsea midfielder Michael Essien on Manchester City striker Ched Evans in Sunday's game.

Mr Pardew said on Match of the Day 2: 'Ched Evans is a strong boy but (Essien) knocks him off . . . he absolutely rapes him.'

Co-hosts Adrian Chiles and Alan Hansen looked stunned, but there was no apology during the show.

Yesterday Lee Eggleston, chairman of Rape Crisis England and Wales, said: 'That something as serious as sexual assault has been mis-used to describe football is appalling. He has trivialised and undermined the seriousness of rape and anyone who has suffered sexual violence will rightly be angry hearing of it.'

A BBC spokesman apologised for Mr Pardew's comments but would not reveal whether he will be used as a pundit in the future.

She said: 'What Alan Pardew said was misheard. It was thought he used the word "rakes".

'If it had been heard, there is no question there would have been an on-air apology.

'Alan Pardew apologises unconditionally for any offence caused by remarks he made on the Match of the Day 2 programme last night. We have received a total of 35 complaints.'

I've been looking at some of the replies on the SUFC Facebook page and more than one person has accused CE's victim of having "done this before" to two other footballers who have paid her off.

Where are they getting that from? Is that coming from his website?

There's also one SUFC fan who has posted more than once that if she were his mother she would have slapped him, but if she were the victim's mother she would have slapped her harder. She's claims his victim asked CE for oral sex and seems to believe that any woman asking to be given oral sex is offering a man an open invitation to do anything and everything to her in return.

I find it really depressing that people can think that way. Not that I believe his victim asked him for anything, except perhaps for him to stop, but it's awful that people believe asking for or agreeing to one thing automatically means you are also agreeing to anything else that the person you are with feels like doing to you.

there's lots of bollox out there. There's a facebook page set up by family called 'securing an immediate retrial for Ched Evans' (Used to be called Immediate release i think) and some of the stuff on there is awful. For example this whole suggestion that she was not drunk in the CCTV so surely knew what she was doing, and must have sobered up even more by the time Ched got there. Lots of people saying 'why did she go back to the room with two men then) - completely missing the fact that she DIDN'T!

Alice, Ched said that in court re oral sex.

Feel free to form your own view as to whether he was telling the truth.

Alice, the original story re previous claims wS that she had made them against Welsh rugby players - a 'friend' of hers told theEvans family that she was known for doing it and had been charged for it.

The NW police looked into the allegations when investigating the people that went to court for naming the victim all over Twitter, because they had also repeatedly posted that story.

Their official verdict was that the allegations were 'untrue and malicious' and that there were no allegations on file not reported to any UK police force.

It doesn't stop people saying it though - I just tend to post the truth whenever I see it. I expect the story has changed to her being paid off by footballers because then the liar accuser gets to say "well duh, of course it's not on file, she was paid off"

Wankers.

Seems like a very poor excuse

It is. But then he's a piss-poor excuse for a man or even a human being.

It's awful just how many lies are being spread about the woman that people are happy to believe and pass on as truth.

I hadn't heard the "two other footballers" rumour before and I agree, EveDallas that it's easy to have a 'friend' come forward, make claims that can't be proved and then say it was all covered up as she was paid off.

It's the same as those "win big" comments the woman was supposed to have made on the internet, yet it hasn't been proved that they were made by her on a real account.

Yet people are believing these things as though they are proven fact.

Yonic I don't believe him for one second. I don't believe the woman asked CE for oral sex. I just find it very worrying that someone can make claims like that, because where do you draw the line? This woman believes that anyone asking for oral sex is automatically agreeing to every other sex act.

And from the other comments on that Facebook page, some people believe that just by going to a hotel with one man, any woman is agreeing not only to sex with him but to sex with his friends. They all seem to justify this by saying "what did she expect" and that's something I find very worrying.

I think if she was looking to 'win big' there would have been more prestigious footballers to chase than Clayton 'who?' McDonald. She didn't even know Evans was going to show up. And she never claimed rape. So how exactly did she do this for financial gain?

I am possibly being a prude and apologies it's a bit graphic, but would a man happily perform oral sex on someone that their mate was having sex with a few moments before? I would have thought most men would be a bit squeamish at the thought of accidentally ingesting another man's semen.

To be truthful, ThereMustAndShallBeTea I cannot imagine any sort of sexual act in the presence of a third party - not even a consensual threesome. I do not think I could maintain an erection with another woman looking on, still less another man; as for oral sex, while technically possible I cannot imagine getting any enjoyment out of it. And that's without the point you make, which I don't care to dwell on!

It's commonly said that rape is a crime of violence, not a crime of sexual desire. That is probably not always the case and motives are, I would guess, generally mixed. But there cannot have been much of a sexual element to this horrible case. He simply wanted to exercise violent power over that poor young woman.

Tea, great user name.

Iirc, CE's website makes much of the fact that neither of them came but they still told the truth to police so give them a cookie.

Err, no, dickwombats, lying to the police is obstruction. So no cookies. Soz.

I'm glad you asked the question tea; it's something I've wondered about too!

I think the problem with DNA etc was that the hotel would definitely have cleaned the bedding by the time the victim made it to the police and then the police to the hotel. Also the footballers were both tested for alcohol and had none in their system but that was very long after the event (similarly the victim) so none of this evidence would have been available IMO.

As far as proving sex took place though, they had the testimony of the rapist and his friends.

I realise that wasn't the question asked but agree too about the oral sex thing. I feel that it's very likely that CE was shitting himself about DNA so just blurted out everything 'they' did along with 'it was all consenting' so that he was covered for all DNA / Evidence they might have found.

They were probably both far too drunk to achieve ejaculation

I always sort of assumed that neither of them ejaculated because the 'sex wasn't very good' ie. the victim was not being very responsive.

I don't know, I just thought that given the effort they had both gone to have sex with this girl, if it had all been as enthusiastic and consenting as they claim it was, then at least one of them would have climaxed somehwere in the room (even if not in obvious place because of pregnancy etc). Again it just suggests that they weren't there for sexual pleasure, but to just 'have a laugh' and humiliate the victim.

I was talking over this with a friend and we concluded that whatever CE did, he did it purely because he wanted to; and that it would appear that there is no logic to his wants and needs. They seem to be extremely dysfunctional, which is possibly why he had so much trouble trying to deliver a credible set of lies in his own defence, and why I think he is so dangerously unremorseful.

There was a woman on bbc breakfast talking about a book she's written about a similar case involving an Aussie rules football player. Really interesting parallels. The Australian police were pretty dreadful tho due to the hero worship of the player.

She pointed out Ched's total lack of empathy saying words to the effect that he could empathise with the girl without admitting culpability saying that he took advantage when she could barely stand so he could enjoy high jinx with his mate.

I didn't see it, BinarySolo, but I can imagine. This was not a sex-crime at all. It was a crime of violence committed by the use of his sexual organs (and the misuse of hers). Just like if you drive a car at someone it's a crime of violence, not a motoring offence.

I just wish SU would stop faffing about and tell him that he is not, not, not coming back; in such minimal fairness to him as he deserves, the sooner the better. If there were any way the FA could ban him from football for life it would be better, but there isn't and if they introduce it they can't make it retrospective.