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Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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DuelingFanjo · 11/11/2014 11:04

seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

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WellnowImFucked · 15/11/2014 12:00

God please don't think I'm making any excuse for her, her, Natasha's behaviour has been horrific. I'd read she had a job and assumed that that's what she was living on.

My thoughts were more on the line of its proof that the reasons why women stay in abusive relationships are more complex than just money. It's often trotted out, asa form of victim blaming, why didn't she leave. . . She should have walked away etc. . . .

here there is a woman who has a job, no children, no ties, being (in her eyes) betrayed in a humiliating and very public manner and still stays.

I thought that the fact her father put Ched the rapists over the fact that he in their eyes 'only' cheated on his daughter, put her physical health at risk, publicly humiliated her, was intellectually interesting, as well as being very very sad.

I agree with Purple and Alice, all our sympathy and support has to be for the poor woman who has had her whole life turned upside down and still has to live in fear.

I don't mean to sound cold but if you look at the big picture here it shows a society that places a mans right to kick a ball around over the rights of a women to (a) get justice (b) live openly with out fear (c) for other women to publicly support her without fear.

Yes I know it's not all men, yes I know there are plenty of men are as disgusted as we are, but until they all start standing up and saying this is wrong the idiots and abusers will continue to assume that all men feel the same/ do the same as them.

We all like to think that our friends & family share our values it can be a real shock when we realise they don't. Most people I know can't get their head around the fact that Clay McDonald didn't get convicted as well. That there are still people out there that think going to a room with a man means consent to sex.
That blows their minds.

Sadly I also have family who think if you weren't a virgin on the way home from helping puppies and kittens in full daylight, and weren't beaten within an inch of your life while been raped by a stranger in an alleyway it wasn't really rape rape and even then would question why you walked by 'that' alleyway, you should have known that 'that' alleyway was dodgy.

We all wander around in our own little bubble, you see it on here so often. The ongoing wheelchair vs buggy on a bus threads show that, so many posters that can only see their POV that can't project and empathise that yes managing a buggy and a LO can be a pain but in the grand scheme it's meh, a temporary irratation. For a wheelchair user it a constant lifelong battle. I am not equating being a woman with having a disability, I'm just just using it to illustrate my point of people's inability to empathise.

Maybe this case will be the tipping point? Maybe the publicity of it all will shake some people out of their bubble and make them realise that we still live in a rape culture?

It's just sad and shameful that all this debate and publicity has come at the cost of a woman's right to get justice and live without fear.

limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 12:05

What can he say? If he says: 'I agree with Nick' he'll be called a hypocrite because of Coulson.

If he supports Evans's reinstatement, that wouldn't look good.

He could legitimately condemn the threats of rape and violence against Jessica Ennis-Hill. He could also say something about the importance of remorse in an offender, but it would be continuing the debate and he'd still be accused of fence-sitting.

He is sitting on the fence, but I understand why he's doing it. Perhaps he'll make a habit of it from now on. I don't think it's the Prime Minister's role to comment on every high profile news story.

Nick Clegg's position is entirely different. I don't see his comment as coming from the Deputy Prime Minister but speaking as a Sheffield MP on a local issue. The city's other MPs have commented too.

YonicScrewdriver · 15/11/2014 12:08

Agree, Clegg is commenting as MP for Sheffield.

Sallyingforth · 15/11/2014 12:20

While the discussion is leaning towards the girlfriend, what does the MN panel think about women being a WAG as a career?
Is a WAG an acceptable profession, or just one step beyond being a 'high-class escort'?

Chippednailvarnish · 15/11/2014 12:21

He's the PM, he has been elected as a leader. Fence sitting is not the actions of a leader.

YonicScrewdriver · 15/11/2014 12:25

I'm concerned about anyone who entirely bases their career on their relationship, because of the risk of losing everything v.

However, a lot of WAGs actually do have their own income or family money, don't they? Models, singers, beauty therapists etc etc.

YonicScrewdriver · 15/11/2014 12:27

Chipped, fence sitting is exactly what politicians do on 80-odd percent of issues. If he says JEH is right, then sponsors who have not yet pulled out of SUFC will feel put out, for example.

The most he could say is something like he thinks football, like law or teaching or whatever, should be a career path excluded for sex offenders - ie a more general point.

Chippednailvarnish · 15/11/2014 12:50

Chipped, fence sitting is exactly what politicians do on 80-odd percent of issues. If he says JEH is right, then sponsors who have not yet pulled out of SUFC will feel put out, for example

Just because politicians can sit on the fence, doesn't mean they should. And if Evans hadn't resumed training with the club, Ennis and the sponsors wouldn't have an issue in the first place.

SuburbanRhonda · 15/11/2014 16:41

But he makes public pronouncements on other situations that have nothing to do with the business of the UK government. Ashya King, for one.

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limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 17:46

he makes public pronouncements on other situations that have nothing to do with the business of the UK government. Ashya King, for one.

Yes he does SuburbanRhonda and I believe that he shouldn't.

Maybe this is the day that he's learned. I don't think that, btw.

But as interesting as I think this issue is, I don't think the Prime Minister, any Prime Minister, should pronounce on it.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 15/11/2014 18:15

The Fail website says the Sun is saying the club's board are 'surprised' by the depth of feeling (Surprised? REALLY?), that they now view the unrepentant rapist as 'toxic' (no shit Sherlock) and that he won't be offered a contract - and they're planning to announce tomorrow.

Will have a look to see if it's on any other more reputable sites.

limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 18:49

Why do you say the Sun and Daily Mail (I despise the childish description Daily Fail) aren't reputable?

The Sun is reporting the attitude of the board, which is 'surprised'. That's not their judgement, it's their observation.

Just link to those sites while you're searching for more 'reputable' ones.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 15/11/2014 18:51

I don't link to the Wail because I despise its politics.

I don't link to the sun because I am a supporter of no more page 3.

Do feel free to google it yourself though.

YonicScrewdriver · 15/11/2014 19:11

Co chairman deplores rape threats to JEH but says sponsors are being bullied...

www.itv.com/news/calendar/story/2014-11-14/jess-ennis-hill-receives-rape-tweets-over-ched-evans-stance/

limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 19:11

I don't ascribe to their politics either. But if you think that what they've said is worth mentioning, then why don't you link?

SuburbanRhonda · 15/11/2014 19:11

I agree he shouldn't comment, limited.

But since he chose to, he could at least have made a comment that sounded a bit less like someone who didn't agree with JEH but was pretending he did.

limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 19:12

And Wail, Fail, it's a bit childish, isn't it?

YonicScrewdriver · 15/11/2014 19:14

Even Scudamore is against...

www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/14/richard-scudamore-sheffield-united-ched-evans

limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 19:31

SuburbanRhonda Cameron didn't choose to comment. He was asked. It could have been better but it could have been much worse.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 15/11/2014 19:44

Because I don't want to.

limitedperiodonly · 15/11/2014 19:49

Thanks for that link Yonic

What Richard Scudamore has said is morally right, very sensible and a shot across the bows at Sheffield Utd's dreams of being accepted into the Premiership, whether they qualify next year or not.

Andrewofgg · 15/11/2014 19:52

Co chairman deplores rape threats to JEH but says sponsors are being bullied...

Now there's a man trying to have it both ways.

Andrewofgg · 15/11/2014 19:55

If SUFC take this wretched man back and get the points to qualify for the Premiership I don't see how they can not be promoted.

But all things considered I don't think the first of those ifs is going to happen, is it?

Even if SUFC do the right thing for the wrong reason . . .