Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

cariads are you serious? The woman has been harassed so badly that she had to change her identity. Twice. Why in fresh hell do you think she would want to reveal herself to the whole world?

Neverbuy ...what the hell are you thinking to ask CD to explain him/herself ?

Yes, Im serious. I don't live in the Uk and its a genuine question based on not really knowing much about how things work and the current culture of coming forward so that others in similar positions gain strength from you and dont feel alone.

Let me try this another way - doing things the way she is doing hasn't worked if she is still having to change her name and move. Would fighting fire with fire and taking on the ugly people by not hiding be of more benefit to her in the long run?

I always think people think pretty women are fair game for abuse? Like they deserve it. Just like women that are drunk deserve to be raped.

why should she have to fight anything she is not guilty of anything she is being bullied

I am sure she feels she has no fight left in her

do you really think his bullying army of supporters will step back if and think well I respected her now she has come out fighting

No one who has been raped or assaulted has any obligation to stand up to or for anyone. No one else has the right to demand or expect any kind of behaviour or action or words or 'stand' of a victim of rape/assault - if anyone wants to do so that's their prerogative but I fail to see why there should be any expectation of what CE's victim should or should not do because she was raped by someone high profile.

Where do you get the idea that anything CE's victim has said or done or not said or done has anything to do with how other fuckwits around & supportive of a convicted rapist behave?

Cariad I will take your question at face value and tell you that in the UK rape victims have total anonymity under the law. People who revealed her identity were prosecuted for doing so - it is an offence.

She owes us nothing.

And well done Jessica!

i understand she owes us nothing but whats going on so horrible that perhaps by taking the bullies on she would shut them up.

But then again I can see how silence and ignoring people is very often the best way of dealing with something. Not that she would be ignoring it in real terms.

I didn't state I thought hundreds of footballers are rapists.

On any given Saturday night, hundreds if not thousands of girls will go out will the sole aim of shagging a footballer.
Also on any given Saturday night hundreds of footballers will be pre-booking hotel rooms in the hope of getting lucky.

It's nothing new and been going on for years.

Now I have no doubt that on most occasions both the girl and footballer will cross paths and both feel they have had a result, but as we have seen on numerous occasions it can and does go wrong.
maybe this case will put a stop to all this but I very much doubt it.

The fact a number of them have been prosecuted hasn't shut them up. Why is it her job?

It is not, as I was reminded on another thread, women's job to modify other peoples behaviour (I say people as a fair bit of online harassment towards the woman he raped has come from women)

On any given Saturday night, hundreds if not thousands of girls will go out will the sole aim of shagging a footballer.
Also on any given Saturday night hundreds of footballers will be pre-booking hotel rooms in the hope of getting lucky.

How is this relevant to he Ched Evans case? He let himself into a hotel room, completely uninvited by the woman he proceeded to stick his penis into about 30 seconds after entering the room.

Lonny, I think its todays culture of speaking out that has had me wondering. That silence is seen as something less desirable.

But likening it to something in my own life right now where I just can't won't 'get into it' I can understand why silence isn't a weakness, that it is a position of strength in many cases.

Thank you to the posters who've answered in such a way I could sort things out in my mind.

What I mean by that is that there is this notion that women are just throwing themselves at poor unsuspecting footballers who have choice but to give into their sultry charms.

Ched Evans has proved that this is absolutely not the case.

Who have no choice

It's relevant to this discussion as I said earlier that you will not find a footballer speaking out against Evans because a vast number of them have been in hotel rooms with drunk girls unable to consent to sex.
They may not have raped these girls but would have a lot of explaining to do if a complaint of rape was made.

Lonny, I think its todays culture of speaking out that has had me wondering. That silence is seen as something less desirable.

Seen as less desirable by whom? I'm not sure I understand this. Who gets to determine how victims should behave or react?

The problem with the whole issue is he is a convicted rapist but believes he is innocent. So therefore he thinks we should all believe he's innocent.
He is a convicted rapist. He thinks it was his right to do what he did. It wasn't. He let a lot of people down not least himself and his girlfriend.

I think rape victims having to account for their behaviour is undesirable

Here we are again, getting derailed to talk about what women should be doing about male violence

and what does the victim say when 'standing up' to the bullies. They won't accept the decision of a court of law that CONVICTED him with rape so I'm not sure anything she says is going to convince them.

This discussion really just reached a new low.

Cariads In so far as it's possible to say "in her position I would do this…" without ever having been her position at all, I think I would choose to remain anonymous because I think there is still a degree of protection to be gained from it.

People outing her new identity can be prosecuted for doing so.

It makes it trickier for the pro-rapist people in Ched's camp to say things about her, since if they break the law in naming her, they will be punished. Sadly it doesn't make it impossible, because this poor woman is being hounded mercilessly, she is being named by certain people, she is being spied upon. But she at least has some chance of seeing these people held to account for it if she doesn't come forward and breaks her own anonymity.

If she choses to break her silence, is she also throwing away her right to remain anonymous and losing the last degree of privacy and protection she has?

If that is the case, that coming forward lost me even a tiny bit of the small protection in law that I still had, I would hang on to that with all my might. Again, I say that without ever having been in her situation, this is just my idea of what I might do or not do, and it is the reason I think she might have chosen to remain silent and anonymous.

By remaining silent she also rubbishes the pro-rapist claims that she somehow planned all this to profit from it.

Really, there are any number of reasons why she might not want to come forward or can't come forward. I believe a relative of hers came forward and spoke to the press but I don't know whether he had her blessing for doing so or not.

Whatever the reason though, it's her choice to remain silent and so I respect it. She's been fantastically brave in coming forward and going through with the trial, without anything further from her now.

Jessica Ennis-Hill Now there's a role model for the sporting world. Good on her.

I didn't see it as that, women having to do something about male violence, but I do get your point

I was thinking more along the lines of her not having to hide anymore.

And perhaps if you had take the time to answer my very genuine question positively it would have done more good than they way you did answer.

Sometimes people do just need things explained to them, food for thought, perhaps because of their age, or living in a very different place, even perhaps because they are a bit of a fighter in real life and to them 'coming out swinging' so to speak is their initial reaction to doing things.

Thank you Alice :)